VonHelton Posted January 24, 2005 Share Posted January 24, 2005 - Did that witch hunt lead by mccarthy make it almost impossible to question the leaders of the nation openly? Revisionist Historians have no doubt destroyed anything good McCarthy has done. I personally believed he was right. We now have circumstancial evidence to support the idea that we were infiltrated by communists, and that they indeed posed a threat. Anne Coulter's book "TREASON" goes into this in more depth than I could describe here. How do you define being a patriot - is it supporting your leader or your country? Leaders come & go, but the country remains. Besides, history has shown us what happens when we blindly follow a leader! Poland Attacked! ".......Armies of the Third Reich have launched a surprize attack on Poland, it has been learned. We still don't have an accurate number of dead as yet." :stare: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oma Posted January 24, 2005 Share Posted January 24, 2005 - Did that witch hunt lead by mccarthy make it almost impossible to question the leaders of the nation openly? Revisionist Historians have no doubt destroyed anything good McCarthy has done. I personally believed he was right. We now have circumstancial evidence to support the idea that we were infiltrated by communists, and that they indeed posed a threat. Nice...you didn't really answer... you politician, you!! ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zerotop Posted January 24, 2005 Share Posted January 24, 2005 just one thing about nuclear weapons you dont need be to crazy to push the button you only need to be able to justify it to push it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thanatos355 Posted January 24, 2005 Share Posted January 24, 2005 just one thing about nuclear weapons you dont need be to crazy to push the button you only need to be able to justify it to push it no, you have to be crazy. simply because there is no hope for anyone or anything living on earth after any ONE idiot pushes their button. there can be no rationalization for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lamp Posted January 24, 2005 Share Posted January 24, 2005 justify it to your country, or yourself? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elladan Posted January 25, 2005 Share Posted January 25, 2005 justify it to your country' date=' or yourself?[/quote'] Justification is in this matter trivial. It cannot be said pushing the button is for good or bad. Since most people on this planet will die, you could say we get a 'not-so-fresh' start... or that's what I'd call an indirect consequence. However the death of billions caused by your pushing the button is, as a direct consequence, of greater influence on your conscience. It is therefore logical to assume that the action of pressing the button shall not be done in order to save the human race, but rather as a futile attempt to have at least anything to do with the end... that's called goetterdammerung or Ragnarok, if I am not mistaken... With the greatest respect, Elladan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elladan Posted January 25, 2005 Share Posted January 25, 2005 Poland Attacked! ".......Armies of the Third Reich have launched a surprize attack on Poland, it has been learned. We still don't have an accurate number of dead as yet." Now that is one thing I have witnessed... to my shame. Elladan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c0g Posted January 25, 2005 Share Posted January 25, 2005 Israel has nukes, so does France for that matter. Pakistan and India both just got the A-bomb. Pakistan is an Islamic fundamentalist country on the brink of war with India over Cassimere. Israel is an aggressive fundamentalist pro war country that is illegally occupying land taken by force from other countries. Do we care? No... Iran on the other hand, has no nukes, and no delivery system. As a matter of fact, they are no more dangerous than Iraq was. They do happen to be on top of and/or next too almost all the remaining Oil other than a little bit in Africa. This is all part of the plan, called “Project for the New American Centuryâ€ÂÂ, and was all laid out by the neoconservatives before bush’s first term. Nothing they are doing now is a surprise, as they declared their intentions before they even took office. Don’t believe me? Go see for your self: http://www.newamericancentury.org -=c0g=- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elladan Posted January 25, 2005 Share Posted January 25, 2005 Israel is an aggressive fundamentalist pro war country that is illegally occupying land taken by force from other countries. Do we care? No... I could kill you for that. :) Yet, I control my anger, my feelings in this matter. Someday, when I'm Emperor (see the thread Emperor / Bush quotes), you'll pay for this insolence. ;) Iran on the other hand, has no nukes, and no delivery system. As a matter of fact, they are no more dangerous than Iraq was. They do happen to be on top of and/or next too almost all the remaining Oil other than a little bit in Africa. But Iran has fundamentalists. At least that's what we're told. This is all part of the plan, called “Project for the New American Centuryâ€ÂÂ, and was all laid out by the neoconservatives before bush’s first term. Nothing they are doing now is a surprise, as they declared their intentions before they even took office. "When I've captured my adversary and he says, "Look, before you kill me, will you at least tell me what this is all about?" I'll say, "No." and shoot him. No, on second thought I'll shoot him then say "No."" - Peter's Evil Overlord list "We're doomed!" (-- C3PO) When they tell us what they're gonna do, we will die. Look at the above quote, it says what an evil overlord should do. They're not as smart to see they shouldn't tell us... but since no ominous music starts booming around in my room when I read that, we're not playing in a movie. So, we won't be able to save the world. Elladan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted January 25, 2005 Share Posted January 25, 2005 Neither Iran nor North Korea has missle technology that could deliver a nuclear warhead to the continental US. Iran just developed a medium range missile that can strike spots in Europe and US military installations in the Gulf. N Korea may have some missiles capable of hitting Alaska or getting close. The American people are in no way in any threat from a nuclear missle (besides our troops overseas). It is completely ridiculous, aggressive, criminal, and unethical policy to initiate a pre-emptive invasion on the basis that they are a threat to us. The US has lost a lot of credibility. We've got to stop using these excuses and cover-ups to push our foreign agenda (which is getting a foot-hold on a vast portion of the Middle Eastern oil reserves). We cannot justify a war with Iran. I'm afraid that will push the rest of the world over the edge and cause a back-lash against America. That could be the beginning of the end. Furthermore, we can't justify "spreading freedom and liberty" (almost meaningless words nowadays). These were values that our country was founded on. We have no right to tell another people, another culture how to live or that our way is better. Damn, these leaders, mainly ours, should sit down and watch some TNG. Maybe they'd learn some of the diplomacy of Picard. All great empires fall. Sometimes in ridiculous ways that in hindsight are laughable. Rome fell. Rome was more than America. Peace, Stoddardvilla :mad: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elladan Posted January 25, 2005 Share Posted January 25, 2005 All great empires fall. Sometimes in ridiculous ways that in hindsight are laughable. Rome fell. Rome was more than America. Exactly. Like Atlantis... it just sucked that THEIR capital was destroyed by that earthquaking thing. Atlantis was more than Rome... Mu was far more than Atlantis. But now we reach the shady time in between two Ice Ages... 20.000 years in which the same humans as we are roamed the world... God knows what they could have achieved! Elladan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c0g Posted January 25, 2005 Share Posted January 25, 2005 *snip* We cannot justify a war with Iran. I'm afraid that will push the rest of the world over the edge and cause a back-lash against America. That could be the beginning of the end. *snip* The End of the World is at Hand. One can only hope. "The End" is what most all the different fundamentalist régimes want. Because they believe it means they get glory and heaven from God-Allah-Jehovah-fillintheblank. Religion is a good tool for controlling the masses, but when leaders start to actually believe their own propaganda, surly the end is near indeed. Just not the gloried prophetic end they are hopping for. Kind of sad actually. Like that dumb transporter episode! first time I actually hoped they would cancel Enterprise. I don’t really mind all the war, death, and meaningless destruction of our race, I’m just peeved we’re going into Iran first. Back when we invaded Iraq, I bet a friend that Syria would be next, he said Iran. I though for sure we’d hit Syria before Iran, cuz they’re closer to Israel. Now I owe him a dollar. He’s went and hung himself since then, so I don’t have to pay or anything, but I still would have like’d to be right. The dead are awfully smug sometimes. -=c0g=- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VonHelton Posted January 25, 2005 Share Posted January 25, 2005 Nice...you didn't really answer... you politician, you!! ;) I ran for the House of Representatives, to be exact.......I couldn't come up with the 50 large I needed to get started, though......... Oh well. :stare: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thanatos355 Posted January 25, 2005 Share Posted January 25, 2005 well i guess you'll have to be satisfied being the 'king of mars' instead. ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VonHelton Posted January 25, 2005 Share Posted January 25, 2005 just one thing about nuclear weapons you dont need be to crazy to push the button you only need to be able to justify it to push it Yes you do.......Only someone insane would push the button & take the chance on killing us all. :o Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VonHelton Posted January 25, 2005 Share Posted January 25, 2005 that's called goetterdammerung or Ragnarok' date=' if I am not mistaken...[/quote'] Exactly!! :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VonHelton Posted January 25, 2005 Share Posted January 25, 2005 This is all part of the plan, called “Project for the New American Centuryâ€ÂÂ, and was all laid out by the neoconservatives before bush’s first term. Nothing they are doing now is a surprise, as they declared their intentions before they even took office. Don’t believe me? Go see for your self: http://www.newamericancentury.org -=c0g=- Cog, this is a load of hundscheiss............Understand? These people are what we would call "lunatics".......They see a devil under every rock. :rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VonHelton Posted January 25, 2005 Share Posted January 25, 2005 well i guess you'll have to be satisfied being the 'king of mars' instead. ;) I'm looking forward to retirement on Mars! Besides, the planet is named after the God of War.......Where else should an old war horse live?? :p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thanatos355 Posted January 25, 2005 Share Posted January 25, 2005 in a jar of elmers? ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VonHelton Posted January 25, 2005 Share Posted January 25, 2005 in a jar of elmers? ;) No more coffee for you......You're cut off. LOL! :p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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