favian Posted August 14, 2005 Share Posted August 14, 2005 Just joined..... So...if and when Star Trek returns, should Starfleet become more 'military' than 'exploration'? I'm talking about more battles, more weapons, less foucus on exploration (and religion, in the case of DS9) Think about it, we are talking ratings, bringing new interest to the show, attracting a whole new fan base Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperK Posted August 14, 2005 Share Posted August 14, 2005 Heh, this illusion that Star Fleet isn't a military organzation is funny. They have weapons, they fight wars, the have a chain of command. It's a military. BK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zerocool Posted August 14, 2005 Share Posted August 14, 2005 Sad to say, but it has become as such. I'm sure Roddenbery's ashes would be turning in his space grave if they knew what has become of his Federation based on "higher principles". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S0V13T Posted August 14, 2005 Share Posted August 14, 2005 Sad to say' date=' but it has become as such. I'm sure Roddenbery's ashes would be turning in his space grave if they knew what has become of his Federation based on "higher principles".[/quote'] What, you mean like 'entertaining'? Face it, TOS was very very entertaining at TIMES, but the majority of it just repeated past ideas / stories, as did the first 2 seasons of TNG. Hell, the movies were imaginative, but not THAT great. Especially the first 4 or so Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elderbear Posted August 14, 2005 Share Posted August 14, 2005 Just joined..... So...if and when Star Trek returns, should Starfleet become more 'military' than 'exploration'? I'm talking about more battles, more weapons, less foucus on exploration (and religion, in the case of DS9) Think about it, we are talking ratings, bringing new interest to the show, attracting a whole new fan base If this happened, I'd lose interest. I like the exploration (not so much of the Galaxy, most of the science is BS in this dimension of reality) - the exploration of human nature and moral dilemmas. Give me character development, give me difficult situations where you can't just out-clever the enemy and phaser your way out. The military aspect just serves as a device to serve character development. This is especially true in the last season of Enterprise and (although not Trek) Babylon 5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vektram Posted August 14, 2005 Share Posted August 14, 2005 Just joined..... So...if and when Star Trek returns, should Starfleet become more 'military' than 'exploration'? I'm talking about more battles, more weapons, less foucus on exploration (and religion, in the case of DS9) Think about it, we are talking ratings, bringing new interest to the show, attracting a whole new fan base I think the opposite. Less action, more exploration, character development, plot etc. If Trek gets turned into an action series, sure it may attract new audiences but I think that many of the hardcore fans would abandon it in disgust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mik3y Posted August 14, 2005 Share Posted August 14, 2005 More exploration, just make it Voyager 2 :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scrabbleship Posted August 14, 2005 Share Posted August 14, 2005 Just joined..... So...if and when Star Trek returns, should Starfleet become more 'military' than 'exploration'? I'm talking about more battles, more weapons, less foucus on exploration (and religion, in the case of DS9) Think about it, we are talking ratings, bringing new interest to the show, attracting a whole new fan base Maybe like an elite force tv show, where they are a ship made specifically for being the special force they bring in when exploration needs back up. Could be cool but might end up being a lame action series. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TFMF Posted August 14, 2005 Share Posted August 14, 2005 Yeah but then it wouldn't be star 'Trek' - they wouldn't be treking through space anymore and the whole idea of Star Trek would be changed. Like i said in a previous topic - Star Trek should have a series about an Adventure - Like voyager - charting through the unknown but not serching for home - like serching for somthing that threatens the galaxy but they don't know much about it - finding peices to a much bigger puzzle - like Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic. Perhaps a few new passengers join there journey that cannot totally be trusted....They climb a mountain only to find a much bigger mountain awaits them. I do get a bit carried away but somthing like that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meateater Posted August 14, 2005 Share Posted August 14, 2005 More military. The Dominion War of DS9 is what got me hooked. B) The religion aspect of DS9, however, was a turn-off for me. "The Sisko" this and "The Sisko" that... ARRRGGHHH! :mad: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mik3y Posted August 14, 2005 Share Posted August 14, 2005 I must admit TFMF that does sound very interesting. I think the space exploration theme is what got me hooked on ST, that and the difficult situations that humans encounter in ST, your idea would make an excellent ST series IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TFMF Posted August 14, 2005 Share Posted August 14, 2005 I must admit TFMF that does sound very interesting. I think the space exploration theme is what got me hooked on ST' date=' that and the difficult situations that humans encounter in ST, your idea would make an excellent ST series IMO.[/quote'] oh thank you :rolleyes: There also has to be a lot more mystery to a new series - one of the problems Star Trek has is they explain things to much - like with the Borg - they were scary at first cause we didn't know much about them but now we do and they arn't as feirce as they once were. There have to be lots of unanswered questions that keep you guessing right through the series. also - Mik3y - sent you PM about invite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juhan Posted August 15, 2005 Share Posted August 15, 2005 Funny thing is Gene's concept of a peaceful world included the Federation which like favian and SuperK said is a militaristic organisation with a militaristic chain of command and having to wear uniforms like navy/air force/army forces. How odd is that? I agree with elderbear... I loved Star Trek for its exploration of human issues. When Gene died, those kind of episodes disappeared with him and Star Trek was mostly about the story from then on. (No more long lectures from Picard. *sniff*) However, I do get hooked onto the stories that they've been coming up with, but the real reason most people started with Star Trek was its vision of humanity in the future. =Han= Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirdick Posted August 17, 2005 Share Posted August 17, 2005 The good thing about the original ST was that they didn't have a clue what they were going to come across, they weren't searching for an answer to anything or looking for something in particular, they were just exploring, investigating what was out there. It was a reflection on what was happening at the time with men going into space, landing on the moon, etc. All that has started again with space exploration and trips to Mars, why shouldn't a new series be about just checking out what's out there? Have a few old faves but I want to see more of different things, species, anomalies, planet eaters, etc. I'd also like to see less Federation beurocracy and get some more questionable judgemnts made. Or they could be a bit renegade, with an alchy captain or something heh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TFMF Posted August 17, 2005 Share Posted August 17, 2005 ^^ like Captain Randsom! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirdick Posted August 17, 2005 Share Posted August 17, 2005 Haha exactly! Give some of the crew characteristics like those in the mirror universe. I know the whole idea of Trek is that humans are supposed to be enlightened and wonderful, but come on... we're humans. As great as we are, there will always be people like those in Enterprise who hate aliens, have predjudices, etc. Let's see a couple of flaws ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dva2082 Posted August 26, 2005 Share Posted August 26, 2005 Just joined..... So...if and when Star Trek returns, should Starfleet become more 'military' than 'exploration'? I'm talking about more battles, more weapons, less foucus on exploration (and religion, in the case of DS9) Think about it, we are talking ratings, bringing new interest to the show, attracting a whole new fan base The more religious aspect of Deep Space Nine brought a refreshing change to the way TNG and TOS were.. There, each one really didn't "connect" to a future episode, except for a couple exceptions. Deep Space Nine was a continuing story, and it showed in the way it unfolded. DS9 also made you think, which was kind of nice too. However, if there was a new Star Trek series to take place after DS9 / Nemesis times, it may very well be more "military" then "exploratory". With the destabilization of the Romulan Empire, I can see that happening. Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheWind Posted August 27, 2005 Share Posted August 27, 2005 I do agree with other people when they say that an "action" star trek series just dosn't fit in. I belive that the strong point of star trek was always it's hability to show you dilemas & puzzles, misteries & situations to be solve using the brain rather than the military way to "shot first, ask later". Anyway start trek needs to evolve being less naive about humanity, and needs to become less archetypical on it's characters and more humane & real. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbbb Posted August 27, 2005 Share Posted August 27, 2005 We've seen enough battles on Trek. We need more EXPLORATION, not violence on Trek. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TFMF Posted August 27, 2005 Share Posted August 27, 2005 Mystery and Adventure are the key - a few battles here and there would be nice though otherwise we would never see the Klingons again.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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