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[x5315]

No, you just made it harder to answer.

How about: The first leader of the borg was a dude name locutus. They went around assimiliating upto species 124. Then locutus decided that he wanted a nice bit of girl to flirt with. So he got hold of Borg Queen. Then somehow magically he died, got killed, something or other. Then the Borg Queen missed him for ages. And then when she got hold of Picard. She thought, hey he's a nice bit of ass. So she turned him into locutus, like her 'ex'. And that is what happened??? And since the borg queen survived for so long without Locutus. She learnt how to look after the collective. Is this making any sense?

[theaveng]

I have a new queston...But i dont want to start a new bord just for it. If the borg queen dies then would the borg disband?

 

This is called "hijacking another person's thread".

 

Poor netiquette.

 

troy

[GhostShadow]

No, you just made it harder to answer.

How about: The first leader of the borg was a dude name locutus. They went around assimiliating upto species 124. Then locutus decided that he wanted a nice bit of girl to flirt with. So he got hold of Borg Queen. Then somehow magically he died, got killed, something or other. Then the Borg Queen missed him for ages. And then when she got hold of Picard. She thought, hey he's a nice bit of ass. So she turned him into locutus, like her 'ex'. And that is what happened??? And since the borg queen survived for so long without Locutus. She learnt how to look after the collective. Is this making any sense?

 

well, uhmm...you guys think that is what happened? And isn't locutis; jhon luc Picard...?

[GhostShadow]

I have a new queston...But i dont want to start a new bord just for it. If the borg queen dies then would the borg disband?

 

This is called "hijacking another person's thread".

 

Poor netiquette.

 

troy

I started the thread..... so i guess i hihacked my own thread...SWEET!!! :)

[hubix]

Ship's class is always named after the name of the first built ship. So i figure that NX-01 and NX-02 are Enterprise class. USS Defiant is Defiant class. I guess it's clear now :rolleyes:

Escort class just means what kind of ship it is (transport, fighter, escort etc.).

 

About the Borg Queen, there is always one person at the top, even in the collective :rolleyes:

[GhostShadow]

Ship's class is always named after the name of the first built ship. So i figure that NX-01 and NX-02 are Enterprise class. USS Defiant is Defiant class. I guess it's clear now :rolleyes:

Escort class just means what kind of ship it is (transport, fighter, escort etc.).

What do you mean they are enterprise calss...? i never heard of that class. :thinking:

[x5315]

As taken from orwell: Everyone is equal, but some are more equal than others.

[hubix]

Ship's class is always named after the name of the first built ship. So i figure that NX-01 and NX-02 are Enterprise class. USS Defiant is Defiant class. I guess it's clear now :rolleyes:

Escort class just means what kind of ship it is (transport, fighter, escort etc.).

What do you mean they are enterprise calss...? i never heard of that class. :thinking:

 

In today's world as well as in Star Trek, the name of the first ship of it's class decides of the name of the class itself, for example Sisko's USS Defiant was the first ship of it's class, so they named this class of ships as Defiant class. Following that. logic dictates B) that both NX-01 Enterprise and NX-02 Columbia would be of Enterprise class, since NX-01 Enterprise was the first ship of this class. But it's true that they never refered to any of them as Enterprise class nor this class is mentioned (to my knowledge) anywhere else.

[GhostShadow]

sorry i am still confused, i will check my encyclopedia.

[hubix]

sorry i am still confused' date=' i will check my encyclopedia.[/quote']

 

Well, I'm not 100% sure if it's like that for NX-01 and 02.

 

But for example, Enterpise-D was Galaxy class, and that was because the very first ship of this class (like Enterprise-D) was named Galaxy.

 

The Enterpsie NCC-1701 was Constitution class, because the first ship of this class was named Constitution.

 

And so on...

[GhostShadow]

oh, that is what you mean? now i get what you are saying. But i think that the ship designer names the ships. but i think that some times it works in the case of your way too. In fact does any one know how they are named....?

[macrovirus]

Addressing a previous question, the NX-01 and NX-02 are actually refered to in many places as 'NX' class starships. You have to remeber, that this was Starfleet's first deep space ship, essentially, its first proper starship, the first in a long line to come. The 'NX', which is seen to stand for protoype on the Defiant, seems to be quite fitting. I have never heard the 'NX' class called the 'Enterprise' class. That's just speculation. Generally (after the founding of the Federation) the first ship of a class is named after the ships class, not the other way round. The people who were on the Defiant building project would have called the project 'The Defiant Project' or something along those lines. The Ga;axy would have been named after its class, as would the Intreped, Constitution, etc, etc...

[Guest c4evap]

An excellent website for starships can be found here.

 

Here's the page for the Defiant. It is listed about midway or so down the page.

 

c4 B)

[martog]

Frankly, if the borg is a collective, why would they have a central figure like the Borg Queen in the first place? I think that was a serious slip-up on the part of the writers, myself... why stress the redundant collective, and then neuter the whole thing with a central Queen figure?

 

I agree. For me, this destroyed the image of an all mighty collective who could harness millions of minds into a collabrative effort; this was what made them so frighting in the first place. IMHO, an unacceptable mistake by the Star Trek writers. The advantage of a collective quickly becomes null and void once an individual is put in charge of decision making. The only justification or argument the writers have is that it was introduced into the borg collective when Picard was chosen to speak for the borg in Best of Both Worlds. This arguement holds little weight and can be easily refuted so in my mind this will always be a mistake by the writers.

[hubix]

oh' date=' that is what you mean? now i get what you are saying. But i think that the ship designer names the ships. but i think that some times it works in the case of your way too. In fact does any one know how they are named....?[/quote']

 

Well, I don't know if the ship's desighner name the ship, but the ship class' name is the same name as the very first built ship of this class. That's how it works, trust me. I'm studying shipbuilding and I'm interested in ships and naval history. It's just like that in Star Trek.

 

The best example is US Navy, Los Angeles class submarine, and the famous Enterprise CV 6 aircraft, which is Yorktown class (first ship of this class was Yorktown).

[hubix]

Addressing a previous question' date=' the NX-01 and NX-02 are actually refered to in many places as 'NX' class starships. You have to remeber, that this was Starfleet's first deep space ship, essentially, its first proper starship, the first in a long line to come. The 'NX', which is seen to stand for protoype on the Defiant, seems to be quite fitting. I have never heard the 'NX' class called the 'Enterprise' class. That's just speculation. Generally (after the founding of the Federation) the first ship of a class is named after the ships class, not the other way round. The people who were on the Defiant building project would have called the project 'The Defiant Project' or something along those lines. The Ga;axy would have been named after its class, as would the Intreped, Constitution, etc, etc...[/quote']

 

So it may be that they choose a name for the ship before they build it, and the project and the class are named the same. Basically what I meant was that the class name and the name of the very first ship are always the same. But it's not like the project name or the class name at the beginning must be like that. (Well, the class doesn't exist until a ship is built) It can totally different, it can be a number or some other name. And the when the ship is built they name it and they name the class. Trust me, in the project the name can change many times. Only the numbers stay the same :)

 

Yes, they never called NX-01 and 02 Enterprise class, yes they refered to them as NX class. But they were the only NX vessels at that time. And folllowing the general rule of naming classes and ships, it would be the Enterprise class - but this was just my assumption. It's not said that you have to name the class anfter the first ship or the first ship after it's class (if the classes name is already decided), but this is just the tradition and the rule as it is today and in Star Trek.

[theaveng]

The only justification or argument the writers have is that it was introduced into the borg collective when Picard was chosen to speak for the borg.

 

The reason I heard stated by Ron Moore (who invented the Borg Queen) was because he thinks it's more interesting to have a humanoid adversary.

 

I think was Ron was dumb.

 

As you said, the Borg are more effective when functioning as one gigantic brain. And their cold, nonemotional temperament is scary as hell!

 

troy

[hubix]

Frankly, if the borg is a collective, why would they have a central figure like the Borg Queen in the first place? I think that was a serious slip-up on the part of the writers, myself... why stress the redundant collective, and then neuter the whole thing with a central Queen figure?

 

I agree. For me, this destroyed the image of an all mighty collective who could harness millions of minds into a collabrative effort; this was what made them so frighting in the first place. IMHO, an unacceptable mistake by the Star Trek writers. The advantage of a collective quickly becomes null and void once an individual is put in charge of decision making. The only justification or argument the writers have is that it was introduced into the borg collective when Picard was chosen to speak for the borg in Best of Both Worlds. This arguement holds little weight and can be easily refuted so in my mind this will always be a mistake by the writers.

 

Remember, she "brings order to chaos" (ST First Contact). She may coordinate the collective so it speaks in one voice. They still have the advantage of all these minds working together, but thanks to her, they do work together, in one effort, they agree with each other. Without her the collective could fall apart, because the drones don't always agree. In a group as large as this one, there has to be someone coordinating everything for the good of the collective. And remember that people don't become drones willingly.

 

They speak as one because they hear each other thoughts, but what if every one of them would have differnt opinion? How shall they proceed? The Borg Queen ensures the collectives stability.

[jayjay21]

back to why the defint is the only fed starship with a cloak, is the roms lent them one to explore the gamma quad in saftey and then give there findings bk to the starfleet and the romulans, the romulans then allowed them to use the cloaking device when the dominion war started because it was in there own interest to do so, it ment the romulans did'nt have to te covert mission into dominion/cardassian terroity and they still got the results they wanted. CLEAR OR CONFUSED let me know

[Marcroft]

I would assume that it would be the other way round - that Starfleet ship yards commission the class/project first, and then in honour, the first ship of its class is named after it. Ergo the Defiant project would be Defiant class, and the first prototype/vessel would be named the U.S.S. DEFIANT.

 

The same has been seen with regards to the U.S.S EXCELSIOR.

 

These first vessels are given a NX registry - since they are still under test - and then this prefix is replaced with the NCC evident from Star Trek III The Search for Spock - if you notice the Excelsior in dry dock her registry is clearly NX-2000 (guess they didn't worry about the Millennium bug), and in Star Trek VI The Undiscovered Country, her registry has been replaced by NCC-2000.

 

In terms of the U.S.S. DEFIANT however, this wasn't the case - mainly due to FX reasons and the ability to reuse the same shots when Captain Sisko and Crew has delivered the new U.S.S. Sao Paulo - which was later renamed U.S.S. DEFIANT.

 

In all right it would have been better to have seen NCC-74205-A as opposed to the same NX-74205.

 

Going back to the original principal behind the Defiant, a semi interesting note is that the Defiant was originally scripted to be called the U.S.S. VALIANT (seen later in the season 6 ep Valiant) but this was dropped in favour of Defiant, due to producers not wanting to introduce two new ships both beginning with V (as Voyager aired mid season 3 of DS9).

 

To muddle matters even more - according to the DS9 technical manual, the Defiant was designed under the Defiant Pathfinder project - and the first study vessel the NXP-2365Wp/T, was "being considered as a fast torpedo attack ship for high-warp penetrations of threat defences, armed with 6 six torpedo launchers (four in the primary hull and two in the engineering) and capable of firing both Photon and Quantum torpedoes at speeds up to Warp 9.982"

 

This hull design was rejected in favour for the current DEFIANT class hull design, but the NXP-2365WP/T was later used in the NOVA class Starship - of which the U.S.S. EQUINOX is a vessel of this class - its forward mounted torpedo launchers being replaced by sensor palettes and an upper mounted primary hull navigational deflector.

 

(just a bit of Trivia for you. - which is why I say I should have scored more on the Starfleet ranking test). I am not bitter though.