ifilmco Posted October 31, 2005 Share Posted October 31, 2005 Well I guess that more wars is simply one of hardships of a pluralistic society. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenebrae Posted October 31, 2005 Share Posted October 31, 2005 To be honest, I'd say it was more a concession to rating based performance but yeah, that one works too ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ifilmco Posted October 31, 2005 Share Posted October 31, 2005 Yeah, who knows the extent to which ratings screws things up... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glennda Posted November 2, 2005 Share Posted November 2, 2005 the sovereign class was a replacement for the galaxy class Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wipedout Posted November 3, 2005 Share Posted November 3, 2005 on Enterprise i must say.... dang the internal security DEPLOY THE ARMY! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ifilmco Posted November 4, 2005 Share Posted November 4, 2005 the sovereign class was a replacement for the galaxy class Yes but not meaning that the galaxy class weren't good enough in service. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TFMF Posted November 4, 2005 Share Posted November 4, 2005 No i don't think that the Galaxy was replaced - They may still build them - the Soverign is a warship - the Galaxy is a ship of exploration - there are advantages to each vessel. The Enterprise E was a replacment for the Enterprise D obviously but i think the Galaxy class still has time left in it - it's actually quite a new class of ship considering the Excelsior class ship is still being constructed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TetsuoShima Posted November 4, 2005 Share Posted November 4, 2005 I'm in complete agreement and support of TFMF on the matter! :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bapman Posted November 5, 2005 Share Posted November 5, 2005 Actually they said the GALAXY CLASS was the most powerful ship design till the Akira and the Defiant came along. Then came the Sovereign n the Prometheus. I guess it all depends on the timeline. In Kirk's Era FEDs were a lil weaker than the KLINGONS In NEXT GEN the FEDS were weaker than the ROMULANS n in DS-9 they were weaker than the DOMINION But if u take DS-9 or NEMESIS timeline... the very latest one. THe FEDS can kick the crap outta anyone other than the BORGS. Their only problems are the number. I mean the Galaxy class maybe an old dog... but its an old dog tht's been learning new tricks. They've upgraded the ship with high capacity shields... type XII phasers and I'm pretty sure lotsa other stuff. Remember the Excelsior class in DS-9... it gave the Defiant a good run. So ya the FED defence is really high if u're talknig about the normal races and not the Uber powers like THE DOMINION... THE BORGS... KRENIMS... VOTHS [The Dino race] and ofcouse... the infamous and probably the most powerful race inb ST till now. The FERENGIS !!!... ok sorry... I meant SPECIES 8472 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ifilmco Posted November 5, 2005 Share Posted November 5, 2005 I agree with TFMF and Tetsuo, I was a little indeterminate in my previous post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TFMF Posted November 5, 2005 Share Posted November 5, 2005 I'm really not sure that the Prometeus class ship every went anywhere - the one we saw in Message in a Bottle was a prototype and although it was a really cool ship - i'm not sure it was a successful one. It also wasn't very starfleet - i said this before i think Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bapman Posted November 5, 2005 Share Posted November 5, 2005 Actually no... the Prometheus class was offcially in service from season 7 of VOYAGER I think. They clearly showed that ship being in service in "ENDGAME"... the scene where the FEDS ship come to invetigate the Transwarp hub opening nearing EARTH n the sphere comes through. Plus I think RIKER got assigned to a ship of that class. I read it here on a board somewhere or on the Bridge Commander forums on Fileplanet. Laslty... wht was so unstarfleet abou the ship bro !? It did look more stafleet than Defiant. Though both ships are really cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TFMF Posted November 5, 2005 Share Posted November 5, 2005 well i suppose it's cause we only really saw the Prometheus in one ep - we got to know the Defiant - the fact that the Prometheus could divide into 3 other ships was a bit unbeleivable i suppose we've never seen this before but we've seen ships cloak many times Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenebrae Posted November 5, 2005 Share Posted November 5, 2005 I don't think the Prometheus is really that big a step. Are we forgetting the fact that the Enterprise was prone to seperation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TFMF Posted November 5, 2005 Share Posted November 5, 2005 yeah i suppose...but the Enterprise D explained how each section was independant - the Bettle Bridge for example - It's just the amount of explaination were given - which in this case isn't much - but that's Trek :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bapman Posted November 5, 2005 Share Posted November 5, 2005 I'm pretty sure the Prometheus has stuff like the ENT D also. After all... like you said... we saw too little of it. Besides... I dont think its unstarfleet like... more like new age Stafleet ship design. Like how ENT D was different frm ENT A Defiant was different to all other Stafleet ships. Same with Prometheus... plus u gotta admit the multi-vector assault mode and the fact tht all 3 parts can do warp are really cool stuff. Sighhh... if they only had that during the dominion war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Centurion Posted November 5, 2005 Share Posted November 5, 2005 Prometheus seems like a cool starship, but I don't think this three-ships-in-one concept is a good idea. Indeed, one will always end up with three weaker vessels. If you ask me, the Federation should build a larger and more powerful version of the Defiant... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TFMF Posted November 5, 2005 Share Posted November 5, 2005 I suppose it's just unessisary really - Promethus had some nice features but the 3 in 1 thing isn't really needed. Plus - if one of the sections were damaged....and couldn't re-connect back with the main ship.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TetsuoShima Posted November 5, 2005 Share Posted November 5, 2005 Well, it's all about maneuverability, shielding and attack angles. One ship is easy to target or defend against. 3 ships on the other hand is a whole different matter. Whether those three are stronger or weaker than the 3 ships combined is completely dependant on the shields, maneuverability, attack angles they choose and the firepower they can wield seperately compared to united. Since they made it in such a way that it can seperate, it is only natural to presume that this combination in this specific case gives a stronger attack capability than when it's combined,... Would be very logical to design a ship that becomes weaker when you activate it's advanced features,... If they chose the mentioned parameters correctly, than it is possible (and highly likely) that even though the three ships are all less power full than the combined ship, the combination of those three ships is MORE powerfull than when they are combined into one. EDIT: Of course, it also depends on the tactical situation... (ex. 1vs1, a splitup might be preferable; 1vs3 or less minor enemies, a splitup might be a good idea; 1vs3 or more major vessels, it might be a good idea to run -> it was the fastest ship in the fleet also remember...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenebrae Posted November 5, 2005 Share Posted November 5, 2005 I have to say that in Trek, I'd say that bigger, heavier hitting ships seem like a better bet - the targetting systems on phasers seems to be so good that a smaller ship would be at a big disadvantage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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