Tenebrae Posted October 16, 2005 Share Posted October 16, 2005 Bit of a breach of security having the head of your secret police replaced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TFMF Posted October 16, 2005 Share Posted October 16, 2005 Bit of a breach of security having the head of your secret police replaced. Yes but his agents would assassinate him if the changling were to act unusually - anything suspicious and the changeling is assassenated by his own men - an efficient security system :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenebrae Posted October 16, 2005 Share Posted October 16, 2005 Not really efficient enough if he managed to get them a good pasting by the Jem'Hadar... Amusing as they had a device that would have proven to be very effective for "testing" shapeshifters (the quantum flux inhibitor doohickey they had in "the die is cast"). Ah well, no one's perfect. And we seem to have wandered slightly off-topic... We should have a new thread... "Most powerful in the quadrant." Which power is the most powerful in the Alpha/Beta quadrant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbbb Posted October 16, 2005 Share Posted October 16, 2005 I think that the reason why Starfleet had only forty ships at Wolf 359 was because the Federation is so vast and peaceful that moblizing a large fleet was hard at that time. In the Dominion War it would seem that not only did Starfleet beef up its fleet, it also was better able to mobilize itself for battle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenebrae Posted October 16, 2005 Share Posted October 16, 2005 You have to remember that they'd have about 2-3 years to see that coming though. Not just that but there had been the whole Klingon debacle which would likely have meant that there was a drive to retrofit the ships for combat. But yes, given that the developed the Defiant after the Borg incident... it would be fair to say that they probably took some steps to improve the fleet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostShadow Posted October 17, 2005 Share Posted October 17, 2005 But it doesnt seem like a very big step up. After the borg, i would be so parinoid and build vast fleets to protect the Federation, make alliances with the Romualn Empire, The Klingon Empire, and mabe the Cardassian Union, and go hunt down the borg in their space. I would first spend massive amounts of time doing research but with all the super powers working together it would go fast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenebrae Posted October 18, 2005 Share Posted October 18, 2005 But that's extremely unFederation like. Besides, given the fact the Borg only send one cube at a time, they hardly seem like a big threat compared to more conventional foes. I can see the Federation increasing it's fleet... but it's an inherently peaceful civilisation that wants peaceful co-existance. Even post Borg they couldn't bring themselves to create a full fleet of Defiants. If they were serious about defence, that's exactly what they'd have done. Working together to stop the Borg would be a sensible idea... but unless they were able to get some decent warp superior travel, the time it would take for a fleet to reach Borg space would be prohibitive. Not to mention the fact the fleet would be working without support and of course the fact they'd be fighting the Borg in their own territory where they were not lacking for resources. Honestly, the best thing to do would be something akin to the proposal Data and Geordie had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostShadow Posted October 18, 2005 Share Posted October 18, 2005 mabe your right, but they could have continued to build up some forces. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenebrae Posted October 18, 2005 Share Posted October 18, 2005 True - but could have is what seperates fact from fiction. The fact is, like most of the Star Trek universe, we're forced to speculate on very limited information. I don't doubt they improved their fleet but we'll never be able to say with accuracy to what extent. Which is unfortunate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TFMF Posted October 18, 2005 Share Posted October 18, 2005 Another thing that dosn't help is consistancy - The writers were always inconsistant especially in Voyager - they would make errors that would make you go "wait that can't be right" or somthing like or they'd just drop an idea like the Borg baby they found in Collective so you feel your missing parts of it....The imagination is a vital part of Star Trek Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenebrae Posted October 18, 2005 Share Posted October 18, 2005 Not to mention the ability to reconcile the ability of races to change appearance and/or various other traits and people to undergo dramatic changes in personality on a regular basis. Or hell, for history to just have magically changed overnight... The obvious answer to why this happens: KRENIM! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TFMF Posted October 18, 2005 Share Posted October 18, 2005 I loved the Krenim episodes - i wished they made more...they could so kick the Feds ass Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenebrae Posted October 18, 2005 Share Posted October 18, 2005 They already have - several times - it's just that they fiddle with time some more and none of it ever happens... it's the same principle that means Voyager can have 18 decks destroyed one week and next week it's fine and no one will even remember that happened or even that the ship only has 15 decks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TFMF Posted October 19, 2005 Share Posted October 19, 2005 Well this takes us back to the topic about how big Dominion Space is - looking at maps - what errors can we see that don't make sense - there was a war between the Dominion and the Romulan empire at one point on DS9 so there borders would need to be close to each ot with Cardassia - which isn't the case on one of the maps. - The Dominion formed an alliance with the Breen and the Tholians - in one of the maps - the Tholian Empire is right accross Federation space from Cardassia so that map can't be right. So the maps are based on speculation and imagination. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenebrae Posted October 19, 2005 Share Posted October 19, 2005 When did they ever form an alliance with the Tholians? I thought that they just signed a non-aggression pact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TFMF Posted October 19, 2005 Share Posted October 19, 2005 Yes - but if you look at the maps - it dosn't make sense on why they'd need to Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenebrae Posted October 20, 2005 Share Posted October 20, 2005 Couldn't you equally say that about the Romulans? They're not anywhere near Cardassia or the wormhole. Additionally, one has to wonder how the Cardassians and Klingons had a war - or skirmish as Garak puts it - given the distance the maps show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TFMF Posted October 20, 2005 Share Posted October 20, 2005 Couldn't you equally say that about the Romulans? They're not anywhere near Cardassia or the wormhole. Additionally, one has to wonder how the Cardassians and Klingons had a war - or skirmish as Garak puts it - given the distance the maps show. That is what i said two or so posts above - Romulus needs to be close - however it is not nessicary for the Klingons to be close as they are allies with the Federation and would be allowed to move there fleet towards Cardassian space Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenebrae Posted October 21, 2005 Share Posted October 21, 2005 Well, really given that it seems all the alpha quadrant powers have fought each other... I'd say that it's hard to reconcile the "facts". What a bunch of continuity errors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TFMF Posted October 21, 2005 Share Posted October 21, 2005 Yeah - i mean to be honest - the map shows the Federation in the middle - but for all we know - it could be the Klingons in the middle - but of course it will be the Federation - everything seems to revolve around them - but of course there could be and most likely will be other races that surround the Romulan or Klingon Empres - but we don't know of them...yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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