Did Babylon 5 copy Deep Space Nine?

[theaveng]

Rules of Aquisition was a warning. Hell they even implied a threat. QUARK: Does the word "Dominion" mean anything to you. Anyone who knows English would think Domain.

 

That's really stretching. Remember the Blue Gills from TNG Year 1? They were threatening, but it didn't lead to a war. On the contrary, the Blue Gills were completely *dropped*. The Dominion could have been dropped just as easily.

 

You can't point to "rules" and say, "Yep, there will be a war." There's nothing to justify that huge leap. The Dominion could have been dropped just like the Blue Gills were.

 

Your claim "B5 copied DS9" is falling apart.

Why not gracefully accept defeat?

That's the manly thing to do.

 

troy

[Furious]

That's really stretching. Remember the Blue Gills from TNG Year 1? They were threatening, but it didn't lead to a war. On the contrary, the Blue Gills were completely *dropped*. The Dominion could have been dropped just as easily.

 

The Neural parasite sent a signal to deep space. It could take years to for them to get.

 

You can't point to "rules" and say, "Yep, there will be a war." There's nothing to justify that huge leap. The Dominion could have been dropped just like the Blue Gills were.

 

What about the the following epiodes? It WAS obvious something would happen. Anyone who picked up the hints would know a confrontation would occur. I showed them up.

 

Your claim "B5 copied DS9" is falling apart.

Why not gracefully accept defeat?

That's the manly thing to do.

 

What do you mean my argument is falling apart? I already killed your argument. To date you haven't provided any evidence while i have. All the DS9 episodes concerning the argument aired before B5s. Stop being a fanboy and realize JMS is nothing but a thief. That's why the DS9 guys are making critically acclaimed shows like The 4400,Batlestar Galactica and Wildfire while JMS has he unfortunate habit of of having his shows cancelled. Like Crusade and Jeremiah.

[theaveng]

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Talking to Furious is like talking to a wall. He doesn't listen. "Rules of Acquisition" says *nothing* about a future war with the Dominion. Nothing.

 

But like a forum troll, Furious refuses to listen. He just keeps baiting & baiting & baiting (and insulting people). Reminds me of this guy, John Shocked:

 

troy

 

 

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[Furious]

Talking to Furious is like talking to a wall. He doesn't listen. "Rules of Acquisition" says *nothing* about a future war with the Dominion. Nothing.

 

But like a forum troll, Furious refuses to listen. He just keeps baiting & baiting & baiting (and insulting people). Reminds me of this guy, John Shocked:

 

troy

 

 

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Sas the guy who hasn't proved anything. Yes i am a wall. A wall of evidence proving B5 is a rip off. :rolleyes: Go and cry to your fellow fanboys.

[blowfish1018]

here is my two penny's worth

Ds9 only got good when it started a continuing storyline( dominion wars)

lets just say that they saw Babylon 5's sucess and thought oohh continuing story lets nick it

New shows like lost , battlestar etc all see the merits of a show like Baylon 5 and realise a continuing subplot if not a main plot was the way forward.

[Furious]

here is my two penny's worth

Ds9 only got good when it started a continuing storyline( dominion wars)

lets just say that they saw Babylon 5's sucess and thought oohh continuing story lets nick it

New shows like lost , battlestar etc all see the merits of a show like Baylon 5 and realise a continuing subplot if not a main plot was the way forward.

 

So Ira went into a future and saw a show that nearly got cancelled in and decided to copy it? There is no evidence DS9 stole anything. They didn't need to since thy had more then enough viewers.

[blowfish1018]

Dont get me wrong I think Ds9 was the best of all the star treks but do you really think that it was scripted or at least plotted as far ahead as season 5 onwards.

Babylon 5 was a contained story from day one the only reason season 5 slowed was the network renewed the show for an extra year so some fluffing had to be done sleeping in the light was suposed to be at the end of season 4

By the way if you ever read or see any other JMS stuff you can see he plots entire runs at a time and not single episodes i.e

the late lamented and underrated Jeremiah or his comic book Rising stars. JMS has an advantage over star trek as he is just one writer not the usual trek crew of many

[Furious]

Dont get me wrong I think Ds9 was the best of all the star treks but do you really think that it was scripted or at least plotted as far ahead as season 5 onwards.

Babylon 5 was a contained story from day one the only reason season 5 slowed was the network renewed the show for an extra year so some fluffing had to be done sleeping in the light was suposed to be at the end of season 4

By the way if you ever read or see any other JMS stuff you can see he plots entire runs at a time and not single episodes i.e

the late lamented and underrated Jeremiah or his comic book Rising stars. JMS has an advantage over star trek as he is just one writer not the usual trek crew of many

 

So why did all the episodes concenrd air in DS9 first? Expain how DS9 got their episodes first?

[theaveng]

1988 - JMS publishes in one his novels, othersyde, that he will be creating a "Babylon 5 videonovel"

1989

1990

1991 - JMS leaves Babylon 5 Bible & The Gathering script with Paramount

92 - The Gathering is put on film

93 - First episodes of DS9 on tv. So paramount had nearly two years to copy ideas from the Babylon 5 Bible and the Gathering script.

> Both have space stations on the edge of Earth/Starfleet space.

> Both are headed by a Commander, not a Captain.

> Both Commanders were involved in a space battle they lost, although the war was won.

> Both Commanders are considered religiously important by another race.

> Both series have shape shifters (modified/dropped from B5 after DS9 went into production).

 

 

- B5 started with a continuing storyline about a Shadow War (1994)

- DS9 copied that idea with the Romulans starting the Dominion War (1995)

 

- B5 started a story about a General rebelling against the Earth president (1995)

- DS9 copied the story (1996)

- And even used the same actor from Babylon 5! (General Hague) who walked-out on his B5 Contract.... bribed by Paramount

 

- B5 was the first TV show to use Computer Graphics space effects (1993)

- DS9/VOY bought the B5 company (1996), so they could phase-out costly/hard-to-use models & do the same advanced computer effects as B5

 

And most importantly, Paramount has been known to steal shows:

- 1975 - Harlan Ellison & Ben Bova shopped a series to Paramount based on their short story "Brillo", about a robot policeman.

- 1976 - Paramount turned it down, and without skipping hardly a beat, put into production...FUTURE COP.

- Ellison & Bova sued & won against Paramount for IP theft.

 

 

 

I think I've proved my argument (for people who are open-minded enough to listen). I enjoy BOTH shows (DS9 is my second favorite), but it's obvious that Paramount was using the Bible & The Gathering script as the basis for their new Trek spinoff..... and lifting ideas from B5..... just as they did when they stole Futurecop from Ellison/Bova.

 

If it looks like a duck (theft)

And acts like a duck (stealing previous shows' ideas).

It's a duck (thief).

 

troy

[Furious]

If it looks like a duck (theft)

And acts like a duck (stealing previous shows' ideas).

It's a duck (thief).

 

What about hoverflys? Tey look and act has Wasps

[TetsuoShima]

MODERATOR REQUEST: Since this discussion almost seems to have become a private thing between the two of you, I'll ask nicely: there are two threads concerning the same issue, you can choose which one is getting locked by posting only in the thread that you'd like to keep open. If you keep on posting in both threads, I'll be forced to pick one myself.

 

I'm sure both ends of the story can be discussed just as easily in one thread. ;)

[theaveng]

PLEASE LOCK.

 

thanks,

troy