TFMF Posted October 17, 2005 Share Posted October 17, 2005 Hi, I´m new here. Don´t know exactly, what the names stand for, but i voted for the first romulan ship in hope it is the warbird, because this is the best ship in my eyes ;) Powerful, invisible, green, deadly and perhaps more impressing than a borg cube ;> Ah - Ghostshadow - someone we can recruit ;) Yes it the Romulan Warbird and yes it is the best ship (unbiased of course) :) Now that's interesting - more impressing than a Borg Cuber - i'd deffinetly agree - The Romulan Warbird is very elegant and does look more agressive than a "cube" Welcome to the Best Forum on the Net - netshark!!! :) Don't know if a warbird is more impressive than a Cube, don't forget a Cube is probably 15 times the size of an Warbird. I think If I would be on an Galaxy class starship, I would be more scared if I saw a Cube attacking me than if I would see a Warbird attacking me... And If I would see a Fusion Cube then I would run like hell to the nearest shuttle and disappaer in the nearest nebula. oh yes - it would be nice if we saw a Fusion Cube on Star Trek rather than just the games but... but the size of the vessel dosn't matter - it may look large and menacing - but to be honest - if you saw a cube coming at you - you'd go - WTF is that? - you'd investigate rather than run - a Warbird looks like a warship - somthing to run away from - somthing to chase you away..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TetsuoShima Posted October 17, 2005 Author Share Posted October 17, 2005 oh yes - it would be nice if we saw a Fusion Cube on Star Trek rather than just the games but... but the size of the vessel dosn't matter - it may look large and menacing - but to be honest - if you saw a cube coming at you - you'd go - WTF is that? - you'd investigate rather than run - a Warbird looks like a warship - somthing to run away from - somthing to chase you away..... You know, for the Borg that would be a good thing... They wouldn't have to chase their victims and chances are they won't 'live' long enough to tell about the encounter, so the next group will get the same idea... :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TFMF Posted October 17, 2005 Share Posted October 17, 2005 oh yes - it would be nice if we saw a Fusion Cube on Star Trek rather than just the games but... but the size of the vessel dosn't matter - it may look large and menacing - but to be honest - if you saw a cube coming at you - you'd go - WTF is that? - you'd investigate rather than run - a Warbird looks like a warship - somthing to run away from - somthing to chase you away..... You know, for the Borg that would be a good thing... They wouldn't have to chase their victims and chances are they won't 'live' long enough to tell about the encounter, so the next group will get the same idea... :) The Borg should desguise themselves as Cruise ships - everyone comes to them - no need to chase people and assimilate them. Of course everyone has there way of catching there enemies - The Federation let them go - The Klingons just chase them aggressivly - The Romulans (*cough prepares speech*) will find there targets - cloak and then pursue untill they reach open space - Then when the target thinks they lost the Romulans - the Romulans decloak and then the target is obliterated - The Romulans then break open a bottle of Romulan Ale and celebrate. - the Borg - well they just get close to you slowly while your distracted at how big the cube is - when your close - they lock a tractor beam on you and well....your destined to be a drone.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostShadow Posted October 17, 2005 Share Posted October 17, 2005 well, the borg cube can go fater than the galaxy class star ship. When Enterprise D first meet the Borg they tried to run and the borg where matching their speend and wasnt even breaking a sweat. And plus they have Trans-warp. So they could run down a target and beam over drones to assimilate them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ifilmco Posted October 18, 2005 Share Posted October 18, 2005 Once again I think that it's who's directing the ship that is more salient than the ship itself - usually - the Borg are effective because they function with only a sole goal and so all of their resources can be devoted to that end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenebrae Posted October 18, 2005 Share Posted October 18, 2005 I always loved the fact that the Borg are supposed to be massively integrated with their technology, so Voyager showed them having to get out of their alcove to push a button to look at a viewscreen - oh, those writers are frikkin' geniuses! The Borg's relentless nature has - I'd say thanks to Voyager and First Contact - become something of a stumbling block. It's no longer the "Q Who" type chasing you down until you can't run anymore, it's well... they'll send a cube after you! And if that doesn't work... well maybe 7 years later they'll send another! Then of course they got the Bond villain complex in Voyager... But anyway, now I think people would find it hard to be intimidated by a cube, knowing that for about 4 years, an Intrepid class managed to run into them almost weekly and come away with na'ery a scratch. The warbird would give you a fright if it decloaked in front of you... That wouldn't happen with the Defiant - probably because it would kill you before you got the chance to be scared. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TFMF Posted October 18, 2005 Share Posted October 18, 2005 I always loved the fact that the Borg are supposed to be massively integrated with their technology, so Voyager showed them having to get out of their alcove to push a button to look at a viewscreen - oh, those writers are frikkin' geniuses! The Borg's relentless nature has - I'd say thanks to Voyager and First Contact - become something of a stumbling block. It's no longer the "Q Who" type chasing you down until you can't run anymore, it's well... they'll send a cube after you! And if that doesn't work... well maybe 7 years later they'll send another! Then of course they got the Bond villain complex in Voyager... But anyway, now I think people would find it hard to be intimidated by a cube, knowing that for about 4 years, an Intrepid class managed to run into them almost weekly and come away with na'ery a scratch. The warbird would give you a fright if it decloaked in front of you... That wouldn't happen with the Defiant - probably because it would kill you before you got the chance to be scared. The writers destroyed the borg - when we first saw them we were scared but now when we see them it's like "What do they want now..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ifilmco Posted October 18, 2005 Share Posted October 18, 2005 Another lamentable travesty of the TV world. No good concept goes untrammeled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostShadow Posted October 18, 2005 Share Posted October 18, 2005 The borg are still an impresive race, hell if i saw a borg cube i would shjt my pants. How they act isnt what scares me, i dont care if they have to push a button to look at something, what i like is there assimilation. It is very interisting to see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ifilmco Posted October 19, 2005 Share Posted October 19, 2005 Which is precisely why a TNG episode such as "I, Borg" seems so bizarre, because it puts them completely out of character. What needs to happen to keep them frightening is for beating their assimilation to become harder and harder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TFMF Posted October 19, 2005 Share Posted October 19, 2005 Which is precisely why a TNG episode such as "I' date=' Borg" seems so bizarre, because it puts them completely out of character. What needs to happen to keep them frightening is for beating their assimilation to become harder and harder. [/quote'] yeah i know - the first episode we saw them - we were possitivly scared - we knew so little about them and thought they were so powerful and there hull regenerating and the Borg babies and all - but the greater we knew abut the borg the less scary they were Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oblisk Posted October 19, 2005 Share Posted October 19, 2005 Voyager! /me runs away edit: Yes I know irc commands don't work on these forums, it's supposed to be a joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ifilmco Posted October 19, 2005 Share Posted October 19, 2005 That's why with really good villains it's hard to find out more about them - it turns them less into villains and more into everyday life that took an unfortunate turn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenebrae Posted October 19, 2005 Share Posted October 19, 2005 I don't know about that, it really depends how you want to play your bad guys... in the case of the Borg, I think that less would have been more. I mean, we knew hardly anything in Q Who... just that they were relentless... that would have been the best way to keep them. The Collective just turning up and scooping huge parts out of planets... If they'd done the assimilate a ship thing - as they did in Regeneration more, that would have been cool... But then the Borg are rather out of keeping with Star Trek's generally positive, peaceful coexistence. The negotiation in Scorpion was just kind of annoying... I liked that the Borg were just so single minded and immutable. Almost as if they were a force of nature, beyond reason or compassion... And while I enjoyed the I, Hugh episode - it kind of undermined that and started the slippery slope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TetsuoShima Posted October 19, 2005 Author Share Posted October 19, 2005 Yes, agreed. The first idea of the Borg was better than what they eventually became. But consider this: how on earth could the Federation have stopped such an awsome opponent? They would have needed some sort of deus-ex-machina to do that and that wouldn't have been cool either... So that left the writers with 3 options: 1. weaken them a bit| 2. create some sort of deus-ex-machina to stop the Borg| 3. Have the entire Federation assimilted by the Borg. Evidently the 3rd option really was not an option, so they had to choose 1 or 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TFMF Posted October 19, 2005 Share Posted October 19, 2005 I don't know about that, it really depends how you want to play your bad guys... in the case of the Borg, I think that less would have been more. I mean, we knew hardly anything in Q Who... just that they were relentless... that would have been the best way to keep them. The Collective just turning up and scooping huge parts out of planets... If they'd done the assimilate a ship thing - as they did in Regeneration more, that would have been cool... But then the Borg are rather out of keeping with Star Trek's generally positive, peaceful coexistence. The negotiation in Scorpion was just kind of annoying... I liked that the Borg were just so single minded and immutable. Almost as if they were a force of nature, beyond reason or compassion... And while I enjoyed the I, Hugh episode - it kind of undermined that and started the slippery slope. After Scorpion - the borg really were nothing to be afraid of - but they were scary in Scorpion Q was always a mystery up untill Voyager - I mean for crying out loud - Q wanted a baby with Janeway - all very...well crap to be honest. And then the bit about Q ( the younger one) having to stay on Voyager - really stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TetsuoShima Posted October 19, 2005 Author Share Posted October 19, 2005 REQUEST: You know, I've been participating too,... But I just realised that currently this discussion really isn't about starships anymore. Maybe someone should create a new topic about the Borg? That is, if you'd like to continue the discussion in the direction it is now taking... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenebrae Posted October 20, 2005 Share Posted October 20, 2005 That's true but topics naturally evolve. There's only so much one can say about which ship is best without an examination of the creators. The Cardassians for example are about the only people that didn't get a new ship. Stuck with Galor class for so many years... I guess they were relying on Dominion ships. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TFMF Posted October 20, 2005 Share Posted October 20, 2005 Well there was the Keldon class - which if you'd played games like Bridge Commander - you'd know was mor powerful than the Galor but not less common. The Obsidian Order also used them in there attack against the Founders Homeworld. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ifilmco Posted October 20, 2005 Share Posted October 20, 2005 And weren't the Cardassians usually undermatched against the Federation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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