BSG - 2x10 - Pegasus

[NiteShdw]

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[DarthMarley]

Warning to all tapers, DVR users, recorders of any kind:

 

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[Elessar]

Hello everyone - no discussion yet, I'll add my piece...

 

First off, this is the first time I've posted anything in this bSG section b/c I just got into BSG and dl'd all of S1 and 2 and got caught up basically earlier today. I've watched each one in order now from the pilot and then watched "Pegasus" just now.

 

Pegasus was the first one I've watched live on TV so my perspective is a little different from every other episode I've watched, and I really liked it.

 

One thing that seemed to make Pegasus a little different than the rest was that it was slightly predictable. The moment Gaius walked in to see the Cylon I knew it was going to be Six, and when we saw her I knew they must have been raping her (but perhaps that was obvious from her condition).

 

The other thing I thought was kind of predictable was the moment Lt. Thorne walked into Sharon's cell I knew he was going to try to rape her and that that was how Karl Agathon was going to end up in the brig.

 

 

But it was still really neat to see the Pegasus and Galactica crew interacting. One thing I think we notice is that Pegasus has remained a very strict military command structure, in part, I think, because they have not dealt with this civilian contingent that Galactica has, the civilian fleet. They're still in the military mode and something tells me if the incident with Agathon and Chief hadn't taken place, they would have had a likely military coup from the hands of Adm. Cain just the same as the previous one, because she doesn't seem to recognize the civilian government. That's one thing that bothers me slightly, as rigid as she is at military structure, you'd think she'd realize the importance of maintaining a civilian Commander in Chief, but perhaps she just likes the chain of command when it means SHE'S at the top of it ;).

 

When Admiral Cain took command my first thought was, when are they going to tell her the fleet is now on a mission to find Earth, and what's she going to say about all this religious stuff?

 

But that didn't come up, I suppose it will (pending the outcome of the confrontation with raptors/vipers) in the part II in January.

 

I don't know what the general attitude on here is, but I'm a huge Grace Park fan and I've admittedly tried to find every reason to trust the cylon-Sharon :). IMO I don't need much help though because she has done a lot to gain Galactica's trust and sadly, in many cases they have still repaid her with malcontent, but understandably.

 

The thing I really like is that each time someone else has tried to kill Sharon on first sight or distrusted her, someone new who previously felt the same has come to her defense.

 

This is a bit off topic of the episode, but Helo came to her defence back on Caprica when SB tried to kill her - and then SB came to her defense when Apollo tried to kill her. Apollo has even started to look at her a little differently ever since she saved their asses on Kobol and not only didn't kill him when given the chance, but saved his life and as it became apparent when she had that deush's gun, saved Adama's life from an attempted takeover from Zarek and that maniac. (who by the way, I'm pretty sure is a porn star).

 

Something that disappointed me has been Adama's reaction to her. He went to see the dead-original-Galactica-Sharon like she was somehow different from the other one. IMO if he's going to be consistent, he should realize that since Sharon is/was always a cylon, the part of her he loved and trusted is also in the self-aware Cylon. And he obviously misses and grieves for the original Sharon.

 

I mean it's understandable, it's just that Adama's repeatedly been this pillar of indefatigable moral character and I expected him to accept cylon-Sharon a little more readily. Perhaps he will begin to, in time.

 

I've heard people talk about hating the cylon-Sharon, but personally I totally dig her. I think she's been trying to regain people's trust and this latest incident of Lt. Thorne swimmin with the fishes is the greatest example. I was glad to see the Chief and Helo react wordlessly the moment they knew Thorne would be going to find Sharon right away. Working together to kick that prick's ass, I was just waitin for it when they left the barracks.

 

I'm glad the bastard was killed, I just wish Helo and Chief had continued to fuck up those guards too so they all ended up in the brig on Galactica instead of Pegasus. I don't think they'll kill the Chief or Helo, but with B. Galactica, you never know! :o

 

I wouldn't be entirely surprised however, if somehow they are forced to choose between saving Chief Tyrol and saving Helo.... my money is that they'd save Tyrol, because in a way they've shown Chief coming to terms with what Sharon is and clearly he was jealous of Helo when they got in the fight in F. of the Phoenix....Idk

 

Personally I'd like to see Helo with her more than Tyrol, while Tyrol is an awesome guy, he treated her like shit when she needed someone to trust her the most... whereas Helo, yes, didn't trust her at first and shot her, but he came to trust her somewhat faster and with more certainty.

 

I'm a hopeless romantic and I can't help but appreciate how he loved her and then found out she was a cylon, and yet his love wasn't changed.

[phabianh20]

Elessar pretty much said it all. I'am still having mixed feelings about the episode. Compared to the rest it was not as good, but as a prelude to the next episode I think it was really good. I think it will be much better when I can watch this episode straight through into the next episode. Only time will tell.

 

If Six was rapped could there possibly be another child in the making?

[BlakesFan]

Season finale? Only 10 episodes this year? I want more!

[ank329]

i think a lot has been said, but that was an amazing episode. Especially the music... first season was great, and its just gotten better since then.

 

 

Season finale? Only 10 episodes this year? I want more!

 

There will be more starting in Jan, i think

[Elessar]

Yeah this was a season finale, why they chose to show only 10 episodes I don't know....

 

The one interesting thing to note is that if you count the 3-hour miniseries as 3-1 hour episodes, then in two seasons they've made exactly 26 episodes. That's just kind of a significant number b/c many sci fi/primetime shows go exactly or around 26 episodes in ONE season, so Galactica's averaging half that. that may be why, they may be trying to average a half-sized season.

 

I could easily seen BSG making a movie eventually, this show is just so phenomenal, there are so many directions for them to go, we love it as it is now and it's really just in its infancy! :cyclops:

 

I'm anxious to see the continuation as well, and also quite a bit to see if they find a way to keep Pegasus a part of the fleet, and what they do about all their prejudices towards Sharon... :mad:

 

And oh yes, the music is really powerful....It makes me tear up at times actually, I think it's the celtic undertones, it sounds Celtic...Anyone else notice that who....might, unlike me, know something about celtic music? B)

[jcap511]

Hi all, this is my first time posting, i just had to say something about this ep :)

 

Wow, it's ironic that off all the things the fleet has encountered, cylon attacks, boarding parties, terrorists, etc.) this encounter with one of their own has been the scariest. Not like "scream like a little girl" scary, but certainly the most brutal and uneasy.

I watched most of these on the air first but i've never seen sci-fi go so far as to put up the "parental discretion" message in the middle of the ep (after commericial break, before attempted rape).

 

The part that was so impacting to me was how quickly and easily Adama Sr. submited to Admiral Cain and forfeited his command. I know she's the higher ranking officer but it worried me, especially since it seems obvious she has little respect for the civilian government.

 

It seems like Cain simply integrated any civilian survivours into the military, but the problem is that there was no one to keep her in check and she basically acts like a dictator. It was really exciting to me towards the end when Adama says he is going to get Helo and Tyrol back, he finally is going to stand up to Cain.

 

With the impending fight however, I'm at a loss as to how this is going to go. It appears the fight is unavoidable. Here's a couple theories none the less: I think Rosiland is going to play a key role and save Adama from his military obligation of obediance by promoting him to Admiral (she can do that, can't she?) Also, I bet Pegasus is going to go after the mystery cylon ship and probably be destroyed it'd be a shame if all those resources go to waste though. Then again I could be completely wrong. :p

 

Anyways, this ep wasn't very strong as a stand-alone ep, but as a cliff-hanger/lead-in/part1of2 to whatever's next, it will be awesome. (we'll just have to wait til January). ;)

 

 

BTW, about the whole "season finale" thing i think they're just keeping BSG in sync with Stargate so that the whole "sci-fi friday" has either new eps or not instead of some new some old. They're calling these last 2 SG-1 and Atlantis "season finales" but they're not really ending the season's short. (I suppose you could call it end of summer/fall season, and in January the begging of winter season :p) I read somewhere that the weird gap has to do with logistics with the US and UK and who gets what first. US got the first half of the stargates first, so now the UK is going to get the first half and then get the second half before the US, something like that. Anyways we might be able to see new stargate and BSG sooner, but the captures will be from SkyOne. :)

[NiteShdw]

This was NOT a season finale - so stop gripping about it. There are suppose to be 20 episodes total.

 

No one has really said this yet, but during the whole episode I had the feeling that Cain is a cylon, or if not a cylon, completely insane. The cylon theory is probably wrong considering their treatment of Six... but I really don't like Ensign Ro... haha

 

I did completely understand Adama's reaction to the Admiral. There's no way he's going to stand up to superior officer like that. We also got to see his respect for democracy and civilian authority. I also believe the Adama has been used to having all the power/being in charge, which is where the conflict between the Cmdr and the Admiral all begins.

 

I think that the crew on the Pegasus will side with Adama. They will tell the Admiral she's out of line and won't risk attacking the Galactica. Once the war is over between the two, the first order of business will be to find out what that Cylon ship is. By the end of the story arc, I suspect that the Galactica will jump with the fleet and leave the Pegasus behind.

 

Overall, there was some cheesy acting, and some very predictable plot 'twists'. The great thing about the writing is that the story answers enough questions to keep you satisfied, but creates a whole new set of questions in the process to keep you coming back for more.

[jkternes]

So we finally got to see Pegasus! Great.

 

I wonder when can we expect "The Gun on Ice Planet Zero" ?

[doctorsmith]

Huh. I thought the torture was exploitative, well obviously, but I mean towards the audience. As a practical torture technique, when was he expecting her to spill her secrets? Pillow talk hardly seemed plausible. At most he'd likely drive her as mad as the other Six. Plus the previous ep showed her sticking a fiber optic cable in her wrist to access the ship's computer. She had download (accessed the virus) and upload (sent the virus back at the enemy) capabilities. Tactically speaking, it'd make more sense to try to access her "hardware" in a completely different fashion and copy her memories into a seperate computer system (so she cannot try to access the ship's systems again while you work). Basically a "mind frell," if I remember my Farscape correctly - no less brutal or scarring than physical abuse, but ultimately more effective.

 

Uhg. I almost made myself weep. Yeah, it's useless to pick the stuff apart. Especially when it's clear the writer's were going for "shock and skin crawl." Plus they get to make a psychological statement about some of the Pegasus people. Hence why I think it's rather exploitatitive. Still, interesting to note Six freaking at the treatment of a cylon. Were their "farms" any less creepy? Programmed for hypocrisy - and more human than I'm sure they'd like to admit.

 

My opinion of the admiral . . . I think it telling that she was only giving relief supplies to Galactica. Sure, they promised to share with the other ships later, and although it makes sense that they would focus on military assets first . . . I suspect she'll later declare the other ships a liability. She wants to fight, not babysit, and try to claim back what they lost, not run to a mythical lost colony. She won't attack them (unless attacked first) but something in her hard demeanor leads me to suspect she'd easily tell them they are on their own. That's, at least, the most plausible high-drama conflict, in my opinion. If I wanted a minor clue I suppose I could check the IMDB and see how many more episodes she's listed as being in.

 

I like the suggestion of the president making Adama an admiral. Makes logical sense. She could demote the other woman, too, but that would automatically make her an enemy. Plus it would be idiotic to think Cain would meekly comply. But if Roslin puts the two leaders on equal footing . . . That leaves Adama's military people to more comfortably resist Cain and it would also give the Pegasus crew reason to pause (never underestimate the effect of chain-of-command on a military trained mind).

[Elessar]

I don't think Cain is going to survive much longer, at first I thought it was unlikely that her XO or anyone else would kill her, rather they'd just arrest her, but at SF Channel's website she's credited as a "Special Guest Star", so something tells me either she, or the entire Pegasus, isn't going to last.

 

Previously I thought they'd find a way to keep Pegasus in the fleet, and I bet they will. I'm thinking something else is going to "dispatch Admiral Cain" in some form or another.

 

I've also read spoilers that Adama is promoted to Admiral, however, I think that'd be pretty petty if Roslin did that JUST to give him equal authority, for one thing it wouldn't solve anything, he wouldn't be Cain's superior. And depending on their military infrastructure, it could concievably accomplish nothing because often times more senior admirals are still considered superior officers to junior admirals.

 

IMO, the promotion of Adama to Admiral will probably come after Cain is out of the way anyway, and she'll promote him just to make sure this kind of conflict of command can never happen again.... So that if they were to ever encounter another high ranking fleet officer, he'd still be the supeior officer. That's what I think'll happen, it'll be a preventative measure once the current situation is already resolved.

[Furious]

Nothing wrng with raping Cylons. They are uber nazis.

[sloany]

All I can say is I can`t wait for the next episode. Hopefully we won`t need to wait till next year for the next episode.

[Locke]

Dear ! You mean I might have to wait several months to see the continuation? This episode had me on the edge of my seat the entire time. Sure, it was fairly predictable from time to time, but most of the time I found myself saying, "Oh no, he's not going to... oh my god, he is rapping her, this is horrific." The amount of emotion I got over this idiot admiral...

 

Some things brought up lots of questions for me, though. If this Pegasus has been all alone all this time, with such non-creative thinking (the Pegasus CAG's idea to recon the strange Cyclon ship was obviously foolish), how have they survived like this? With no supporting fleet, no additional recruits to pilot the Vipers and Raptors? Admiral Cain seems to indicate that they have done nothing but offensive strikes against the enemy, but her tactics so far seem a little too obvious and bull-headed to be effective. I find it hard to believe the Cylons would let them get away so easy, but maybe I'm not giving her enough credit.

 

The other thing that bothers me is her response to the question on how she survived Caprica. Seemed mostly to be avoiding that one, and I didn't buy her response. But who knows, might be my own dislike of her.

 

All I know is that half the guys on her ship are complete jerks, mauybe more. I hope her XO and the rest of the crew doesn't actually follow through and attack Adama's Vipers.

 

I don't wanna wait months to see what happens next!

[SuperK]

If anyone has seen the original BSG - and I know many have - then this Cain fits in pretty well with that. A crazy but brilliant strategist that is basically totally obsessed with destroying the Cylons - ultimately at the cost of his own life.

 

I would argue this Cain is very different.

 

The original was presented a "Living Legend", a worshiped leader and brilliant tactician. He wasn't perfect, and was subversive. But he also didn't condone his crew’s willingness to mutiny, recognized when he was wrong (had hey followed his plan, the fleet would have been destroyed), and obeyed the chain of command. While not perfect, he was a “good guyâ€ÂÂ.

 

The new Cain in contrast:

 

- Appears to have executed her XO. Great leaders do not execute their XO in the CIC, nor do they get themselves in the position of have what appears to have been a long time friend and good XO of questioning their Orders. The only thing this is to accomplish is to have the crew fear Cain, and obey from fear. Not the position a great leader leads from.

 

- Condones rape. There is no way they will get information from the Cylon by rape. Aside from the moral issues, such treatment is counter effective to effect intelligence gathering. It also as a detrimental effect on the crew, and good order and discipline. A great leader would never allow such behavior, let alone condone it. (as an aside, where were the Galactica guards? Wasn’t Adama aware of the “interrogation†and briefed as to the methods to be used?)

 

- Appears to have no respect for the President, and higher authority. As far as we are aware, the President is the Commander in Chief, just line in the US, and an Admiral would not refuse a call from their CIC. Let alone multiple ones. Roslyn needs to set Cain straight if she is to warrant the title President.

 

Aside from being a young Admiral, I fail to see anything that makes Cain a “Living Legendâ€ÂÂ, and everything to say she should be relieved of command. We have yet to be told as to why she’s obtained a high rank at her age, but it would seem to be from some patronage than from ability.

 

I also thought it interesting that the Pegasus had more resemblance to the original Galactica that the new Galactia. Given that all the visual references to the original has been in the context of historical artifacts, it would lead one to think the names on the ships should be reversed.

 

I also thought the Pegasus had a “white†paint scheme more line the old vipers, which wouldn’t make any sense since the active Galactica and the new vipers had the “black†cameo scheme. But in one shot it looked pretty dark, so I don’t know which scheme it really has.

 

As to the next eposide: I think Cain has to die, no other way got get ride of her. But I do think the Pegasus will be around for a while longer, and then be destroyed or lost. I think the writers would like to explore having anouther battlestar around before going back to the basic show premise.

 

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[dunevorlon]

first I thonk the episode was good in terms of action and all. However the introduction of the pegasus is suspect coz .that battleship is fully computerrized yet they have not been hit by Cylon virusses..mmmm futher to that I think the admiral is a cylon.

 

In my opinion there cannot be two battlestars in this series..thats why its Battllestar galactica hence the next episode is a fargone conclusion in my opinion. Lets remember the cylons havea plan...and will do all to re infiltrate the galactica...they need a second child to understand how a Cylon and human can reproduce...coz the key is attraction....I look forward to the next episode.

[NiteShdw]

THIS THREAD IS FOR DISCUSSION ABOUT THE EPISODE ITSELF

 

Please move all unrelated discussions to ANOTHER THREAD. I read this thread for ideas about what's happening in the story, not your opinions on TV executives

[Steveo]

I still want to know where all the vipers Galactica has have come from.

 

I do like the showing of humanity in a darker light, the 'bad' side, i.e. what goes on onboard Pegasus. The subtle shift from the mostly friendly and deep down good natured crew of the Galactica to the, perhaps not so good and nice crew of the Pegasus places a new dimention to the show. No longer just the Cylons, they humans have to deal with a proper military battle with themselves, not just the petty fights we've yet seen.

 

So much to explore in the rest of the show, it will be most interesting.

[Arcainis]

I hate to sound heartless here, but I don't think that the crew of the Pegusus have believed that they have done anything wrong. To them (and to the Galactica), cylons are not human. No human=no rape. Plus Lt. Thorne stated to Baltar that she had killed 7 men, if I remember correctly.

The thing I liked about the episode was when the Galactica deck crew was getting noticeably upset when the crew of the Peguses were making jokes about "taking" her. I think Galactica's crew has finally started realizing that these Cylons are more than machines. Balar was more than noticably shocked when he was taken to her on the Pegusus.

I think that is part of what this episode was about. If the "evil" Cylons are not machines but something more, then who's actions were the true evil? Just my 2 cents...