Elessar Posted September 27, 2005 Share Posted September 27, 2005 Are they all planets in the same solar system? Are some of them moons? I didn't think they could be separate star systems because they say in the beginning they haven't used the FTL drive in like 20 years... But how could that part about "Kobol's Last Gleaming..." make sense where they said from Earth you could look up and see all 12 of "their brothers" ? That would imply that Sagittaron was in Sagittarius, Virgon was in Virgo....etc. But that would put them THOUSANDS of lightyears apart... Can someone explain where all the colonies are? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperK Posted September 27, 2005 Share Posted September 27, 2005 According to RDM, they the colonies are on seperate planets within the same solar system. Yea, makes no sence. Is it even possible to have 12 habital planets in the same solar system? There is a fairly limited range of distance from the sun a planet needs to be to support human life. The view of the sky from Earth in that eposide also make no sence. It implies that the humans that settled earth then returned to Kobol to create the image of the constellations from the surface. My impression of the colonies has always been the they left Kobol and never came back. That doesn't match up. Seems like it would have been easier to leave some coordinates. BK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paniq Posted September 28, 2005 Share Posted September 28, 2005 The colonies MUST be in separate star systems. 12 in one solar system doesn't seem right. Are the 12 constellations where the colonies are, or are they named after the colonies? The 12 views would be better as 12 coordinates. Unless most of the constellations were close together I don't think there would be anywhere 10 would be right and 2 wrong until you shifted to the correct place and all 12 then right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elessar Posted September 28, 2005 Author Share Posted September 28, 2005 But it's pretty much physically impossible for them to be in 12 different systems because in the mini they talk about how they haven't used FTL drive in 22 years or something. It's not possible to maintain casual contact from starsystem to star system at sublight speeds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenebrae Posted September 29, 2005 Share Posted September 29, 2005 No offence but some people obviously weren't paying attention. The constellations were just groupings of stars associated with the 12 tribes old names. I have to agree with you though panig, I am a bit perplexed about the star map system as a whole. Unless of course someone had already been to the planet or something. We, after all, have no idea about the interaction of the Lords of Kobol. As to 12 habitable planetoids in a single solar system - well, as we have NO idea what the system looks like and I imagine none of us have degrees in astrophysics (correct me if I'm wrong) we can't really say... and let's not forget, it is science fiction. Not science fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NiteShdw Posted September 29, 2005 Share Posted September 29, 2005 I was under the impression from the episode with the star map, that each of the twelve colonies was located in a certain star system within each of those constelations. I guess I need to read up more on the back story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcant Posted September 29, 2005 Share Posted September 29, 2005 well as the lords of kobol seem like the old greek gods I would guess good old hercules has been slipstreaming them back and forth ;) Good point though, I'm am ashamed to admit that particularly glaring plot hole slipped past me (or maybe the lords of Kobol left them a few stargates :cyclops:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Centurion Posted September 30, 2005 Share Posted September 30, 2005 I always thought that the twelve colonies were located in nearby star systems. While the star chart found on Kobol doesn't contradict that, since it seems that the colonies were only named after Earth's zodiacal constellations, carrying the star formations as their ancient symbols, it also suggests that Earth is the starting point of mankind, not Kobol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elessar Posted October 2, 2005 Author Share Posted October 2, 2005 As to 12 habitable planetoids in a single solar system - well, as we have NO idea what the system looks like and I imagine none of us have degrees in astrophysics (correct me if I'm wrong) we can't really say... and let's not forget, it is science fiction. Not science fact. Well first are you gonna argue it's in fact scientifically plausible to have 12 habitable bodies in one system or are you going to say it's sci fi and let's let it go? B/c if it's the latter then there's no point in 85% of threads like these existing because a lot of the debate is ABOUT things like these in sci fi. I am not an astrophysicist but I'm a junior in astronautics and there are only certain orbital distances around a star that would be habitable for life, and considering we're talking about human life, we can assume most of the conditions that would be necessary. It depends on the mass, age and composition of the star but the larger and hotter it is, further that range is going to be pushed out towards the further reaches of the system. Meaning closer planets will be not unlike the surface of Mercury. If it's smaller and more like our sun or even cooler, the outer planets would be iceballs. And you can't cram the orbits too much closer together because rocky-planets like Earth and Mars only form at certain distances b/c of their density. It's generally accepted that by natural stellar evolution, astronomers doubt more than two habitable planets in one star system could develop. The scapegoat here for BSG could be moons. Saturn and Jupiter have a number of large moons like Europa and Ganymede that, given extremely sophisticated terraforming, could support life. I'll confess there are really bizarre situations where life could be sustainable on a planet far from the sun if it had a tremendous amount of radiated geothermal energy, but that's reaching for straws to say there could be nearly 10 of those. Then again now that I think about it, given terraforming, you could probably populate 2 or 3 other barren planets like Mars. the bottom line is even with all these caviots there's no concievable way 12 distinct habitable human planets could exist in a solar system.... Unless it were binary...or trinary... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenebrae Posted October 2, 2005 Share Posted October 2, 2005 I'm not saying it's seriously possible - I'm just saying that it's not impossible. I'm well aware that the orbital path for life as we know it is rather slim and yes, 12 planets to all fit in it is a laughable notion. If it was planets and moons then it's maybe more within the realms of possibility but as I said - sometimes you've got to over look these issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muffins Posted October 2, 2005 Share Posted October 2, 2005 I thought the comment that they hadn't used FTL in 20 years was only referring to the Galacticas FTL drives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steveo Posted October 2, 2005 Share Posted October 2, 2005 That would make more sense, because one of the crew said "I hate this part", indicating she'd traveled FTL. With all the civilian ships having it, and their pilots being able to use FTL no problem suggests that muffins is right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralLee Posted October 2, 2005 Share Posted October 2, 2005 Muffins is correct. And don't forget, each Battlestar and battlegroup, can jump... My impression and memory is or was, that each Battlestar was named after each colony that was founded, and that each colony, was in a different star system, located in the Zodiacal constellation group associated with it, as seen from Earth. So if my memory is correct, yes, each colony, is many lightyears apart. As far apart and more, as each Constellation is from each other. Besides, Kobol, is in it's own star system, so is Earth, each are one of the 12 colonies, so that about negates them being in one star system right there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenebrae Posted October 14, 2005 Share Posted October 14, 2005 I think if Ronald D. Moore the creator of the show SAYS they're in the same solar system, it's kind of pissy to say they aren't. Additionally, Earth is the 13th tribe - Kobol was the home of the gods and not a tribe and the constellations shown in the starmap on Kobol were pretty much clearly stated/implied to have nothing to do with the actual location of the 12 colonies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steveo Posted October 14, 2005 Share Posted October 14, 2005 I do think that them being in the same Solar System, even if that is what the creator says, is some of the worse science ever, in terms of habitable conditions on a planet being related to it's proximity to the sun etc. I suppose it's just something that we have to live with in the end. Not that it matters so much now as we're nowhere near any of the colonies, with them being occupied and all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenebrae Posted October 14, 2005 Share Posted October 14, 2005 Yeah, it's pretty horrible science but for all we know there could be a gas giant in the habitable area with lots of moons and a couple of planets kicking about... I hardly think that Galactica is that guilty of bad science on the whole though, so it's worth forgiving them this one indiscretion. If you want to level accusations at shows for bad science - I think we should look to Trek for flawed science... a show that couldn't even keep basic units of measurement straight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steveo Posted October 15, 2005 Share Posted October 15, 2005 I do like the BSG trend of not overly explaining the methods of travel, keeps the focus off teachnobabble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
halojones Posted February 22, 2006 Share Posted February 22, 2006 In light of the revelations as seen within Home part 2, I do find it quite interesting that 'When the 13th Tribe arrived at their destination, they looked up and saw their 12 brothers in the stars. So the 12 were using flags with stars which just happened to be their ancient symbols, which just happened to be the same as what the earth tribe saw when it got to earth, and the 12 actually knew this place is called Earth. hmm, yet during that same episode, Boomer tells us 'We know more about your religion that you do', and over and over 6 tells us, 'All this has happened before and will happen again'. Anyone think maybe the cylons have been to earth, and have came back again, toting this religion to drive man to eventually one day want to find it, so they can seed it and rebirth humanity (a mix-cyclon-human humanity this time) as has been done before, so the species evolves in a paradym shift fashion? I think the Cylons know where earth is, just have to steer humanity there, so God (still have many ideas on this, too random to share thus far) will love them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unduli Posted February 23, 2006 Share Posted February 23, 2006 I think the "All this has happened before and all of this will happen again" is a reference to some kind of eternal loop. Mankind leaves Kobol and founds the 12 colonies. Creates the Cylons. They rebel. They dissappear. They come back and destory mankind. SOMEHOW...the Cylons are wiped out or vanish. The Galactica fleet gets to Earth. Centuries later the decendants of the Galactica fleet leave Earth (possibly because of terrible climate changes, global warming, huge disaster or something), end up on Kobol. Found the 12 colonies and the cycle begins anew. Maybe the human cylon models still around then convince mankind to create the Cylons in the first place...or create them themselves. In either case this is my somewhat long winded theory and only my second post so...who knows! But I do like the topics in this forum...makes for good reading/thinking! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magestorm Posted February 23, 2006 Share Posted February 23, 2006 12 habitable planets in a solar system? Possible? Yes. But likely? Probably not. But, if so, orbiting gas giants would be how it is possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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