GhostShadow Posted October 16, 2005 Share Posted October 16, 2005 I cant find a map of the gama quad and i was wondering if anyone knew if it was mentioned in Star trek (series, books, games, ect...) how big the Dominion space is? I would think they a pretty big, they have been around for a millenia. the federation only a few hundrend years old and it is pretty big. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TFMF Posted October 16, 2005 Share Posted October 16, 2005 The whole Gamma Quadrant is really there domain - The Dominion is many different cizilizations all joined to form the Dominion. The Dominion would be a lot bigger than the Federation - they sent thousands of ships through the wormhole that would have been about the size of the Federation fleet and yet they would have still needed loads more ships back home to protect all those places in the Gamma Quadrent so am thinking pretty big!!! :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostShadow Posted October 17, 2005 Author Share Posted October 17, 2005 makes sence, i suppose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steveo Posted October 17, 2005 Share Posted October 17, 2005 Size would be less relevant when it comes to defending the Dominion, as tey have to have those ships to impose the rulew upon the peoples of the Dominion, where as int he Federation, people aren't likely to rebel/uprise or need law imposed by the military. I agree, it would be huge, but even if it was small, they'd have to keep plenty of ships there to maintain the system of governance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TFMF Posted October 17, 2005 Share Posted October 17, 2005 Size would be less relevant when it comes to defending the Dominion, as tey have to have those ships to impose the rulew upon the peoples of the Dominion, where as int he Federation, people aren't likely to rebel/uprise or need law imposed by the military. I agree, it would be huge, but even if it was small, they'd have to keep plenty of ships there to maintain the system of governance. Yes but the Federation still needs ships to protect those planets even if they don't rebel they could still fall under attack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
queenhank Posted October 17, 2005 Share Posted October 17, 2005 But with the ability to travel at high warp allows a single ship to routinely patrol a great number of planets, so the Federation doesn't need that many ships for such duties. I would bet that the majority of Starfleet is dedicated to exploration and scientific discovery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TFMF Posted October 17, 2005 Share Posted October 17, 2005 But with the ability to travel at high warp allows a single ship to routinely patrol a great number of planets' date=' so the Federation doesn't need that many ships for such duties. I would bet that the majority of Starfleet is dedicated to exploration and scientific discovery.[/quote'] In another topic - Federation Defences i think it was - we found out that a sector could cover 100's of square lightyears and we also found out that there may only be say one ship in that sector - so it could take days for a ship to reach disaster areas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenebrae Posted October 17, 2005 Share Posted October 17, 2005 I'd say the answer here is - just because the Federation does it, doesn't mean it's a good way to do it. How many Federation colonies have suffered a kicking because of the poor deployment of Starfleet? The Dominion claim to be over 2 millenia old, they're an inherently more aggressive and militaristic civilisation that doesn't always peacefully assimilate worlds. So they would have to have lots more ships and so on. As to the size... pure speculation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TetsuoShima Posted October 17, 2005 Share Posted October 17, 2005 Maybe this is of any help... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TFMF Posted October 17, 2005 Share Posted October 17, 2005 Maybe this is of any help... well that dosn't show the borders of Dominion space - no real idea of how big there space actually is.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steveo Posted October 17, 2005 Share Posted October 17, 2005 Yes but the Federation still needs ships to protect those planets even if they don't rebel they could still fall under attack. My point is that the dominion would require many more ships to impove their form of governence, defence is irrelevant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenebrae Posted October 17, 2005 Share Posted October 17, 2005 Agreed - given what we've seen, people don't mess with the Dominion and if you do, you're generally not really in a position to tell anyone. I imagine that the threat of force is what maintains their hold on all their citizens... Of course, we don't really have that much of an understanding of the internal politics of the Dominion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TetsuoShima Posted October 17, 2005 Share Posted October 17, 2005 I'd imagine that most culture/planets are generally left alone after they're incorporated into the dominion. I'd also imagine that none of the inhabitants of the Dominion have any say whatsoever in the political state of affairs of the Dominion. Further I think we can presume that the planets are obligated to make certain economical contributions to the Dominion. They'd most likely also have to obey a fixed set of rules like: no internal fighting, fair trade, ... the usual. These regulations are probably extremely strictly enforced by the Jem 'hadar and Vorta... Most likely, once you are a 'valued' member of the Dominion and you meet their demands, life is probably to that bad. You'd have to sacrifice a little freedom, but gain some 'order' in return... But I'd imagine that once they have their eye on you and they're after you, it's not the best place to reside (understatement). The above was, of course, all pure speculation. But from what we got to see about them in DS9, I think it would not be that far from the truth... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TFMF Posted October 17, 2005 Share Posted October 17, 2005 In some of the episodes we have seen of DS9 - mainly the early seasons where the war isn't in effect - we see the crew visiting some of the planets in the Dominion and although caution advised - there was no vessels guarding or monitoring the planet - there may have been Jem 'Hadar ships patroling near by - but they wouldn't just wait in orbit.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostShadow Posted October 17, 2005 Author Share Posted October 17, 2005 well, the dominion probly will just the "the quicking" on up riseing planets, or send Jem 'hedar. I know that they dont take up the entire Gamma quad, b/c when sisko and the defient went into the gamma quad (before the dominion war) he always said " that is close to Dominion terrory". So there is at least a few places the Dominion doesnt own. And Concidering that the borg have been around a lot longer than the Dominon and when i see there spcae, it is only as big as Federation Space. So mabe i was wrong about it being very big. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TFMF Posted October 17, 2005 Share Posted October 17, 2005 well' date=' the dominion probly will just the "the quicking" on up riseing planets, or send Jem 'hedar. I know that they dont take up the entire Gamma quad, b/c when sisko and the defient went into the gamma quad (before the dominion war) he always said " that is close to Dominion terrory". So there is at least a few places the Dominion doesnt own. And Concidering that the borg have been around a lot longer than the Dominon and when i see there spcae, it is only as big as Federation Space. So mabe i was wrong about it being very big. [/quote'] Also - we only really every saw of the Jem' Hadar near the end of Season 2 - and we only heard of the Dominion in the middle of Season 1 and at that point they didn't think much of it - so for quite a while - exploration in the Gamma Quaderent didn't even find any Dominion... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostShadow Posted October 17, 2005 Author Share Posted October 17, 2005 I am thinking that it would be about the size of the federation or Romulan Star Empire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenebrae Posted October 18, 2005 Share Posted October 18, 2005 Also - we only really every saw of the Jem' Hadar near the end of Season 2 - and we only heard of the Dominion in the middle of Season 1 and at that point they didn't think much of it - so for quite a while - exploration in the Gamma Quaderent didn't even find any Dominion... It's not mentioned until midway through season 2... and then only glancingly but that seems to be more due to the fact that it's something the various people in the gamma quadrant like to keep quiet about and it's obvious from what the Founders say that they've been well aware of the Federation for quite some time. Anyway, it's clearly stated that the Federation and various other ships violated Dominion borders in the gamma quadrant and that they went missing... the wormhole itself is a wee bit away from Dominion space but they say later on that (at the end of season 4 when Garak is trying to convince Worf to let him blow up the Founders) a lot of ships "went missing". Typical Trek though, no one actually mentioned that. Anyway, there is a lot to suggest that the Dominion concealed their presence while they gauged the strength of their enemy and made their plans against them... and I think the notion that the Dominion were no larger than the Federation of Romulan Star Empire somewhat laughable given the scope of their resources and the length of its existence. Basically, unless that space was extremely industrialised - there's no way it could support what amounts to an effort to conquer the Alpha quadrant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TFMF Posted October 18, 2005 Share Posted October 18, 2005 Well the Wormhole leads near the centre/far edge of the Gamma Quaderent - 70,000 lightyears so perhaps Dominion space is closer to the Alpha Quaderent is than the Wormhole is - either that or Dominion space is smaller than we thought Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenebrae Posted October 18, 2005 Share Posted October 18, 2005 The maps seem to suggest it's at the far edge of the Gamma Quadrant. Whether that's accurate or not is another matter... but Sisko does say that it would take 40-50 years for reinforcements or something (I forget when), so we can assume that if the wormhole is near the edge, then the Dominion is indeed a big area. One wonders why they're still using warp after 2,000 years - you'd think they'd at least have slipstream... I guess that might make them a little too good though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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