lt.com. Rheya Posted July 8, 2006 Share Posted July 8, 2006 hmm..let's see..First Contact was considered the best, maybe because has a little bit of everything it needs to be succesful: interesting plot, plenty of action, fun, time travel, interesting an funny characters etc. and furthermore, there is a balance regarding all these elements. the other movies lack that balance Insurrection, for instance is spectaculous, and its ideas are brilliant(e.g. spiritual development instead of technology, eternal youth, blind man having seen his first sunset, etc), but there's too much focus on Picard and Data, leaving the others not much to do...also, the relationship between Riker and Troi was superficially treated, and I didn't like the guns they had: after the small and efficient phasers they had in the series, I've expected something even smaller and efficient, and instead of that their weapons looked like nowadays guns! when i first saw generations i found it a little bit boring, because it has little action. but is it only action that makes a good movie? it may be considered boring because it focuses on ideas and feelings and relationships rather than action. if you give it a chance you might find this movie has deep meanings, such as trying to escape reality, having doubts about the choices you've made in life, what is it that really matters in life. and i also liked a lot data experiencing his first emotions and trying to learn how to control them... as for nemesis, ok, it isn't the best movie, but i liked it anyway... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TetsuoShima Posted July 8, 2006 Share Posted July 8, 2006 Definately Generations for me, looks like I voted allready last year, but didn't reply, solved. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antipodean Posted July 10, 2006 Share Posted July 10, 2006 hmm..let's see..First Contact was considered the best' date=' maybe because has a little bit of everything it needs to be succesful: interesting plot, plenty of action, fun, time travel, interesting an funny characters etc. and furthermore, there is a balance regarding all these elements. Exactly, with First Contact the writers were able to balance out all the elements Hollywood requires for the box office with enough solid science fiction element to create one awesome movie. First Contact is one of my favourite Trek movies full stop, and DEFINATELY the best TNG movie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GorunNova Posted July 10, 2006 Share Posted July 10, 2006 I'd have to say 'First Contact', simply because I thought the rest of 'em were, well, crappy. 'First Contact' just seemed to have some thought behind it, while the other movies just seemed like attempts to syphon off the series' name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenebrae Posted July 10, 2006 Share Posted July 10, 2006 First Contact... It's got action, suspense and all the rest nicely wrapped up into one movie sized package. The one mistake - the Borg Queen. It inherently change the Borg from faceless baddies to essentially henchmen for a James Bond style baddie. She's one step away from saying "So Picard... we meet again, FOR THE LAST TIME." It was the first step toward the Borg becoming a laughable means of filling in an episode. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TFMF Posted July 10, 2006 Share Posted July 10, 2006 First Contact - Action Packed, didn't make the Borg look crap and kept you entertained throughout the movie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenebrae Posted July 10, 2006 Share Posted July 10, 2006 It was also the only TNG film to have anything other than a one-on-one style fight involving the Enterprise... ok, Nemesis had... what 2-3 warbirds but that fight was mostly Enterprise vs. Schimitar and Insurrection was the Sonar ship vs. Billy and his amazing joystick. It was kind of short but it was the only time the TNG films ever did a big space battle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostShadow Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 I put generations b/c isnt that the one where the ENT D seperates and it blows up? Yeah, well I just loved that movie. but I really like nemisis too, oh well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenebrae Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 It doesn't seperate. It just blows up. You and Steveo love Generations... I've had injections of Ebola I enjoyed more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander Data Posted July 15, 2006 Share Posted July 15, 2006 First Contact is my favo! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TFMF Posted July 16, 2006 Share Posted July 16, 2006 It doesn't seperate. It just blows up. You and Steveo love Generations... I've had injections of Ebola I enjoyed more. It's one of those movies that makes Starfleet look crap - their flagship destroyed by an old Klingon bird of prey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lt.com. Rheya Posted July 17, 2006 Share Posted July 17, 2006 It was also the only TNG film to have anything other than a one-on-one style fight involving the Enterprise... ok, Nemesis had... what 2-3 warbirds but that fight was mostly Enterprise vs. Schimitar and Insurrection was the Sonar ship vs. Billy and his amazing joystick. It was kind of short but it was the only time the TNG films ever did a big space battle. do you watch star trek just to see batlles? perhaps you you should considered the fact that, after all, it's star trek, not star wars. i think that it takes more than impressive battles to make a good movie! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenebrae Posted July 17, 2006 Share Posted July 17, 2006 Of course but Star Trek films generally seem to have shied away from space combat but then, Star Trek films have generally struggled to approach the epic nature of Star Wars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slug Posted July 18, 2006 Share Posted July 18, 2006 All the old Enterprises got destroyed by a Klingon Bird of Prey: 1701: self destruct as a result of battle A: battered to buggery through Chang's magic Bird of Prey D: again, screwed through combat with bird of prey Its a model Vs CGI thing, these films required impressive effects sequences, usually involving the ship being blown up, which meant there was not enough budgwt to design a new ship to blow it up -except III, which gave us the Bird of Prey. I rewatched Generations yesterday and I have to say that its aged really well, having been forgotten for years as a kind of transatory oddity, much like the first Trek film. Generations has everything youcould want from a Trek film, life/death, the nature thereof, Shat being loveable and confused, it feels like a natural sequence of cinematic events, the sequels feel formulaic, that said, obviously First Contact is as good if not better, but when viewed as part of a series it marks a step towards a reliance on formula over ideas. Insurrection, feels like a pretty good episode extended to feature length. Nemesis, just feels like a badly conceived proper feature film, so the two have a decent basis to battle it out between them. If you watch Generations properly you see all of the TNG cast have something important to do, even Guinan, and this is despite of the fact that it is a transatory film. There is talk that there was about an hour of filmed footage cut from Nemesis and a lot of this was the sort of character related stuff the film lacked. See the Wikipedia article for this. There is therefore good hope for a much extended cut of the film which gives TNG the sendoff it deserves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TFMF Posted July 18, 2006 Share Posted July 18, 2006 Yeah i will admit that most of the TNG movies seem to be mainly about the captain - the rest of the crew didn't have much else to do with it Generations was good in the fact that everyone had a part to play Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arktis Posted July 18, 2006 Share Posted July 18, 2006 I can't believe there are only 7 votes for Insurrection. Why didn't people like it? My guess is that people like Picard more as an action hero fighting a powerful enemy than as a gentle loving person - fighting a powerful enemy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hayden Posted July 18, 2006 Share Posted July 18, 2006 first contact just had a different feel to it. the rest had theyre moments . ie data giving himself up in nemisis. but this showed the origions of space travel in the universe of star fleet in a time not to far from ours and it just kinda hit home i reckon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiggy Posted July 19, 2006 Share Posted July 19, 2006 Generations or First Contact for me. Simply because I`m a sucker for the Klingon theme music at the cinema........never mind the acting or script.......I just wanna hear the....... da darrrrrrrr du darrrrrrr. I`m easily satisfied and you can all thank me for that educated response in PM later! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander Data Posted July 24, 2006 Share Posted July 24, 2006 First Contact, of course. You gotta luv the Borg! ("Sounds Swedish") ;) Borg in swedish means castle :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenebrae Posted July 24, 2006 Share Posted July 24, 2006 I can't believe there are only 7 votes for Insurrection. Why didn't people like it? My guess is that people like Picard more as an action hero fighting a powerful enemy than as a gentle loving person - fighting a powerful enemy. Insurrection played more like a long episode - as a friend commented after seeing it felt as though the titles were going to get a voice-over saying "And next on BBC2 - the Simpsons." There was something... less than awe-inspiring about Picard et al, run around the place. Just... run of the mill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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