Carnifex Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 the Weakest Link segment. Another travesty. I've only read a couple of the novels (no, VNAs) and I haven't heard any of the BF audios. Are the audio adventures good? Gallifrey being a goner though, sucks no matter who thought it up.. but if the new show is a different timeline/verse/dimension then Davies needn't have kept it dead and ruined the chances of this new show from being anything but a shadow of it's former self. IMO, there is not real future for this character now, 'The Lone' TImelord.... how dull and cliched. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cypha01 Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 and yes, I think the audios are great. They take off where the series left off IMO, dark/experimental/imaginative and full of creativity. Mccoy and Mcgann are both excellent on audio and worth the look in. And instead of submitting oneself to the mindrott that is Television, you can just sit back and listen to them while going to bed :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antipodean Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 I reckon that torchwood show sounds tops. Why all the scepticism? Just sit back, suspend ur disbelief & enjoy the show i reckon! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Potato Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 apparently this thread should be retitled. I suggest "I hate RTD's WHO as it is too Americanized and we all know how bad Americans suck cause they obviously watch all that crap on TV!" I feel this would be an appropriate title for what this thread is becoming! Now if no one else minds can we get back on topic? Oh, before I get flamed I am from the US (but I prefer not to be called an American as Canada and Mexico both share North America with us and then of course there's South America.) and I tend not to watch television, not because of any hatred of programming, but because I find I can get more done that way. Oh, I also haven't seen the new series yet! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cypha01 Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 Oh chill out :p. For the record I think US sci-fi was better tha Uk stuff from the 90's onwards and im from the UK :P but UK doing US is pointless, why be something your not ? It makes no sense at all. Also, I have many US dr who fan friends that agree with me completely on this subject. ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S0V13T Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 Potato is right, lets stay on topic everyone. The topic is about the upcomming Doctor Who spin off series, not "How badly I hate RTD, and the new Who Series". Start a new thread if you wanna bash the new who / spinoffs, and remember the classic Who series please. I've deleted a couple of posts, and kept some around to give the posters the oppertunity to re-post in a more appropriate thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnifex Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 Oh chill out :p. For the record I think US sci-fi was better tha Uk stuff from the 90's onwards and im from the UK :P but UK doing US is pointless' date=' why be something your not ? It makes no sense at all. Also, I have many US dr who fan friends that agree with me completely on this subject. ;)[/quote'] Yep... however I'd go one step further in saying that in general the U.S makes better scifi than the U.K, I know that 99% of the scifi I have enjoyed over the years has been American, apart from Dr. Who, Blake 7, Space 1999, Quatermass, Sapphire and Steel, the Dominic Hyde plays and a spattering of other stuff it's all been U.S made. When the U.K does eventually make something with it's own identity it can very VERY good, bordering on the genius but when it makes something to fit for another audience, and the audience usually is the U.S one (no flame, just observation) then if tends to end up as a mess (Invasion: Earth anyone? whoa, what a stinker, Fred Ward was good though), the new Who and obviously Torchwood, as the main actor seems to be a American and the last couple of series of Red Dwarf. I think that with the advent of Torchwood we are seeing an unneccessary, and in my case unwanted, shift in the priorities of U.K scifi and if the U.K, and other like minded viewers, don't stand up and be heard loudly over the almost deafening roar of general acceptance of something new for new's sake, then we risk losing a muchneeded source of cerebralism and inovation for the scifi genre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cypha01 Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 I think british sci-fi was good up till 1989 personally, we did great shows like Sapphire and steel, Blakes7, Quatermass, dr who (classic) and other such shows. I agree that when we make something with our own identity it is usually "genius". Then in the 90's the American's took lead and did brilliant shows like Babylon5, The X Files and such. Oh they also have such gems as Dune and now we have BSG. And with the new brit shows like torchwood (x files rip off), new who (laughable), Hyperdrive and ITV's Primeval, it shows the producers must of been put in a machine that obviously drains them of imagination and originality. Too trying hard to be American, too trying hard to appeal to Americans. And they fail and end up making something cheesy and worthless because like I said, we are tryign to be something we cant be. Oh well, if you want GOOD british Sci-fi, look no further than cyber warfare productions : sneak : Invasion, carnexion, carnexion : Prophecy stone, System war, Arcane and brutal dark/epic hard sci-fi like that :) Of course we also do great sci-fi in novel / comicbook form with stuff like 2000AD and the Warhammer 40,000 books. Dark gritty sci-fi exists from Uk, its just all hidden away and underground because people would rather be subjected to the crap the TV puts on. I think that with the advent of Torchwood we are seeing an unneccessary, and in my case unwanted, shift in the priorities of U.K scifi and if the U.K, and other like minded viewers, don't stand up and be heard loudly over the almost deafening roar of general acceptance of something new for new's sake, then we risk losing a muchneeded source of cerebralism and inovation for the scifi genre. I agree completely. I think NOTHING is beyond critisism. And if there is no critisism then how would anything ever evolve, get better ? we would be stuck with stagnant, corporate products...oh wait, that Is what TV is like these days anyway. Nevermind. Even John Barrowman himself has said it was England's answer to the X-files...geez, cant they think of anything new ? obviously not. Sci-fi is SUPPOSE to be cutting edge, but now is it mostly just generic carbon copies, its no better than soaps or reality TV crap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Potato Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 Oh chill out :p. For the record I think US sci-fi was better tha Uk stuff from the 90's onwards and im from the UK :P but UK doing US is pointless' date=' why be something your not ? It makes no sense at all. Also, I have many US dr who fan friends that agree with me completely on this subject. ;)[/quote'] Once again someone has taken me more seriously than intended and once again I think it's you. Please, try to remember that I am a sarcastic poster. The true point was that this isn't the thread for that discussion. Other people got what I was saying so my post couldn't have been too muddy. You were just looking for some one to argue with you or you would have seen the point and the sarcasm for what they were. Oh, we are still way off topic.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cypha01 Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 And once again, someone takes me WAY too seriously ;) I would of thought the "Oh chill out :P" part would of showed you I was simply going along with your sarcasm, nevermind. Btw, I had a baked potato tonight with grated cheese on it, for some reason it made me think of you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Potato Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 Btw' date=' I had a baked potato tonight with grated cheese on it, for some reason it made me think of you. [/quote'] lol :D (but still off topic) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
underscore Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 Wow! I obviously wasnt playing close enough attention because I didnt even notice anyone mentioning / criticising America!! Anyway, I will certainly give the new spin off series a fair crack of the whip. I often get a underlying feeling about a new show before ive seen it, but I never make a judgement on a thing before its been on. Im looking forward to a bit of new sci fi really :) and the Dr Who connection wont hurt it either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob43434 Posted January 24, 2006 Share Posted January 24, 2006 I'll admit that I am sceptical of Torchwood. It does sound like an X-files rip off. And it's not suppose to have any Doctor Who links apart from being a spin off. The thing that is a bit of turn off I find is the supposed level of sex in it. Since it's an adualt show, their is apparently going to be sexual shannagins going on. Probably left over from Davis other show, Queer as Folk. As for the new Who, well I do love it but it defiantly needs improving. Have to admit that Bad Wolf is probably the worst episode ever. Only liked the end of the episode, but that's probably due to my obsession with Daleks. What it needs is more of the Big Finish writers to write episdes. Look at how could Dalek was. Robert Shearman adapted it from his 6th Doctor Audio "Jubilee". Personnaly what I think the show needs is more classic who links. I know they aren't used much so as to make it easier for new fans to enjoy it, but it's not suppose to be a reboot but a continuation. And Eccelston is suppose to be the Ninth and Tennant the 10th, meaning Mcgann is offically the 8th Doctor. So why not have more links. And bring back Gallifrey. The last continuing 8th Doctor novel hinted at it's return. So it is possible. Hell the Doctor even hinted at it in "Father's Day". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S0V13T Posted January 24, 2006 Share Posted January 24, 2006 For crying out loud people, what part of "Please stay ontopic" was I not 100% clear on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Potato Posted January 24, 2006 Share Posted January 24, 2006 For crying out loud people' date=' what part of "Please stay ontopic" was I not 100% clear on?[/quote'] I'm guessing the "Please Stay On Topic" part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenriswolf Posted January 24, 2006 Share Posted January 24, 2006 Okies. S0V13T asked nicely :) so if you could stay on topic that would be great ;) If you really want to rant about RTD and the new series, make a thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USWhoFan Posted January 24, 2006 Share Posted January 24, 2006 I will certainly give the new spin off series a fair crack of the whip. I often get a underlying feeling about a new show before ive seen it' date=' but I never make a judgement on a thing before its been on. Im looking forward to a bit of new sci fi really :) and the Dr Who connection wont hurt it either. [/quote'] I'm with ya there, I'm looking forward to new SciFi and the Who connection is cool too. :p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Potato Posted January 27, 2006 Share Posted January 27, 2006 We probably won't get it here in the States, which means I won't get a chance to like or hate it. Unless I decide to DL it, of course. ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pella Posted January 29, 2006 Share Posted January 29, 2006 We probably won't get it here in the States' date=' which means I won't get a chance to like or hate it. Unless I decide to DL it, of course. ;-)[/quote'] I think it will depend on the success of the Dr Who 2005 in America, If ratings are good I think it's more than likely that they'll buy Torchwood. I haven't made an opinion one way other yet. I like the premise, but 'British X files' always makes me wary for some reason. I'll watch it then I judge whether or not I like it, it seems the sensible way of doing things to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antilles Posted February 18, 2006 Share Posted February 18, 2006 As Ive been offline for months and I havent noticed anyone else mention it, but has anyone else noticed that 'Torchwood' is an anagram of something we all know and love? hehe! Looking forward to it, itll fill a nice gap inbetween seasons. Also a good indication that the BBC are funding a 3rd and possibly 4th season. Bloody hope so! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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