Bapman Posted November 12, 2005 Share Posted November 12, 2005 This is no versus as such but more like comparison with the other advanced races. I just wanted to know about this race 'cause well... I like the race a lot and that episode of VOYAGER was 1 of the best. For the people who don't know, the VOTHS are dinosaurs who left Earth after meteor hit when they couldn't live on Earth anymore. They travelled all the way from the Alpha Quadrant sector 001 to the middle of Delta Quadrant... and during that time they didn't even have warp capability. Their known history shows their civilization to be over 25 MILLION years old... yes... this is a race that was space faring over 40 million years ago. They technology what they have shown till now is staggeringly advanced. Kind of like of the Ancients from Stargate. They have massive ship... size of cities like the ships in INDEPENDENCE DAY. They showed them teleporting VOYAGER... the entire inside a city ship AND disable all its systems. They have transwarp and cloaking capability even on the personal shuttles and personal temporal cloaking. Sooo how advanced are they compared to... let's say the top dogs like SPECIES 8472... the BORGS... DOMINION... KRENIM... CARETAKER. And does anyone know anything more about them !? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TFMF Posted November 12, 2005 Share Posted November 12, 2005 I can't see them being too Advanced - I don't think they'd pose to much of a threat to the Borg or Dominion - certainly not Species 8472. They are probably more powerful than the Krenim (I mean Voyager lasted a year in there space). So the VOTH are powerful - but not too powerful....if that makes sense :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bapman Posted November 12, 2005 Author Share Posted November 12, 2005 But they teleproted an ENTIRE federation ship...with shields... while trying to get away... and disabled it within seconds. The BORGS never managed to do that. Infact noone has... other than them ofcourse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TetsuoShima Posted November 12, 2005 Share Posted November 12, 2005 Darn, this is actually about an episode I didn't see yet myself. Hadn't thought such an episode would come up in a discussion any time soon (since I've seen nearly all of them, I only missed a couple Voyager eps on tv, this appears to be one of them). Have to do something about that soon... :cyclops: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bapman Posted November 12, 2005 Author Share Posted November 12, 2005 It was a very good episode... their reguler anthropologist scientists had temporal cloaking system... their personal ship had advanced transwarp drives and cloaking. The particle synthesis system. Their Cityship teleported VOYAGER INTO their whn VOYAGER was trying to get away. They drained their power... shut down the warp drive...tractored then teleported them through the tractor and disabled all their systems. All within seconds. I mean seriously... doesn't this strike to anyone has scary advanced !? They TELEPORTED a SHIP... an ENTIRE ship with its shields up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TetsuoShima Posted November 12, 2005 Share Posted November 12, 2005 Sounds pretty impressive indeed, but I can't make any real judgement on it, since I haven't seen it myself, but from what you tell me, I'd say they are a hell of a lot ahead of the Federation! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bapman Posted November 12, 2005 Author Share Posted November 12, 2005 Well... it would be pretty stupid considering they were warp capable before the BORGS ever came into existance. Their space faring... as in warp capable civilization is 25 MILLION years old. Yes... MILLIONS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quosego Posted November 12, 2005 Share Posted November 12, 2005 Could someone please tell me which ep this was I really need to see it :) Thnx. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bapman Posted November 12, 2005 Author Share Posted November 12, 2005 VOYAGER season 2 Episode name DISTANT ORIGINS A brilliant episode... Chakotay's speech in the end really makes him stand out as a unique character. The very end line of the episode always made me smile and my eyes go misty. That episode and the episode 'BLINK OF AN EYE" are probably my 2 most fav ST episodes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TFMF Posted November 12, 2005 Share Posted November 12, 2005 Actually it's Season 3 :) but yeah it was a good episode - howver - that transporter technology - couldn't exactly work on a Borg Cube ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bapman Posted November 13, 2005 Author Share Posted November 13, 2005 That wasn't my point. My point was that even BORGS can't pull off something like teleporting an entire ship with its shields up... specially like the tech level of the FEDS. For the VOTHs it was like a minor thing. PLUS if their reguler ppl can have temporal cloaking... just imagine the standard issue stuff for their military !! They could EAT the DOMINION. Now the KRENIM could prove to be more dangerous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mik3y Posted November 13, 2005 Share Posted November 13, 2005 Yeah that was a brilliant episode - definitely one of my favorites. I think there one of the most advanced race ever seen on ST, even more so than the Borg imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philly Posted November 13, 2005 Share Posted November 13, 2005 Makes you think how intelligent they would have had to been 25 million years ago. Agreed that they have a vast level of technology if they can teleport an entire ship with realative ease. Too bad they were only present in one episode. I would have like it if that one Voth travelled back to earth with the VOY crew to have seen what the planet they left 25 million years ago had evolved into. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenebrae Posted November 14, 2005 Share Posted November 14, 2005 I'd say that the Voth probably showed a level of advancement comparable to that of the Borg. I mean, those boys were just cruising around in a city at transwarp with a phase cloak... Of course, quite how you could fail to be running the entire galaxy if you've been in space for 25 million years is beyond me... I didn't rate the episode that much but I think it's fair to say that of all the "conventional" races we've seen, they are easily the most advanced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bapman Posted November 14, 2005 Author Share Posted November 14, 2005 Makes you think how intelligent they would have had to been 25 million years ago. Agreed that they have a vast level of technology if they can teleport an entire ship with realative ease. Too bad they were only present in one episode. I would have like it if that one Voth travelled back to earth with the VOY crew to have seen what the planet they left 25 million years ago had evolved into. Hmmm... that's not a bad premise. We got a straight to DVD ST movie right here... but developed properly... could even become an ST movie. Of course, quite how you could fail to be running the entire galaxy if you've been in space for 25 million years is beyond me. Hahahahaha... man I had the exact same thought. I mean BORGs won't have been much of a threat to them 'cause they'd have seen hit puberty and wipe them out. Well... that's ST for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philly Posted November 14, 2005 Share Posted November 14, 2005 Hmm perhaps the Voth returning to earth to reconquer what was once theirs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bapman Posted November 15, 2005 Author Share Posted November 15, 2005 Ok... but loses all the touchy feely things that ST love to do. Conquering becomes more like SW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philly Posted November 15, 2005 Share Posted November 15, 2005 Well it could start off as the Voth coming back to Earth seeing what became of it, and once realizing what happend to it, decided to reconquer it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bapman Posted November 15, 2005 Author Share Posted November 15, 2005 I guess... but I wanted the VOTHs to be good guys... be the 'big brother' type figure to the FEds or atleast the Humans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Centurion Posted November 15, 2005 Share Posted November 15, 2005 That is a species I'd like to know more about. The same applies to the whale species from Star Trek IV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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