psheldrake1 Posted February 5, 2005 Share Posted February 5, 2005 VH has watched ghost busters too many times Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thanatos355 Posted February 5, 2005 Share Posted February 5, 2005 that's pretty damn obvious man! ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elessar Posted February 5, 2005 Share Posted February 5, 2005 What you're saying about NASA's "shuttle disasters" is completely nonesense, "couldn't fix a ham sandwhich"....Ok, on that topic, tell me exactly how you "fix" the 3 main disasters that have occured roughly 20 years apart and all with 3 completely distinctly different causes, all occuring from distinctly DIFFERENT technology? Apollo 1 fire? Challenger explosion? Columbia? All 3 completely different problems, you can't "fix" something after it vaporizes your craft, you learn from it and keep it from happening again - if Columbia and Challenger had both exploded 20 yrs apart from the same exact failure, THEN you can start questioning their failure analysis credibility. Five years ago I never thought we'd land on the Moon again en route to destination Mars, like you're saying I figured it'd make the most sense to go the Mars. But I think the people who suggest this plan are trying to temper the Congress, the country, everybody who partially supports or doesn't support NASA, into the eventual missions to Mars. Sure we're all fuckin starheads and ready to build a starship and venture to the depths of the Galaxy, hell I'd take the chance to go even if the odds were like 1 in 20 I'd even survive through the atmosphere...But our (at least my) priorities for humanity differ vastly from the ave joe - See Guy who says "we have enough problems on Earth" - who only cares about his HMO and his retirement. Eventually somebody or something's gotta punch these babyboomers in the gut and tell em to get off their bitchfit about "I got my own problems, WAHHH" and realize that this planet's gonna be in a mudhole of shit in about a hundred years when the Pop. is about 24-30 billion and we're consequently pumping way more toxins into the air water and soil and trying to squeeze resources out of oil still. We've got to get off this planet plain and simple, I don't know what it's going to take to convince people of that, I'd have it be the truth that I've just spoken, but unfortunately it may have to be the simple allure of Corporate enterprise and expansion of the worst elements of Western culture into the final frontier (See Fight Club, Planet Starbucks, the Microsoft Cluster, etc...Also Space Truckers shows a funny view of corporately-dominated space-faring future America). And if you still think YOUR problems are more important than the future of humanity fine, go order your latte, whimper over your falling mutual funds and go home and watch American Idol, a few strongbacks will sacrifice a lifetime of pushing and shoving and bullying your narrowminds into releasing a few more tax dollars into research each year until they save your sorry ass from extinction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wahaha Posted February 5, 2005 Share Posted February 5, 2005 So you're saying... lets find another planet to pollute ON TOP OF this one. Screw finding a way to solve our problems here, lets just move to a new planet and do the same thing? If they had any brains they wouldn't glue tiles to the bottom of the shuttle. It would be all 1 piece. The shuttle is even lucky it gets anywhere and they know it. They're just too lazy and cash strapped to design or build anything on their own, so they send pleas to the public to build one for them and test it on their own dime. That 10 million $ prize? It doesn't even cover HALF of what it cost that company to build their ship. The point is, there's no reason to goto mars or the moon. There's nothing there of value. What the hell is even the point of sending people into space in the first place on all these trips?? They don't accomplish a goddamn thing except to waste money and float around doing nothing! What new reasearch, inventions, or improvements have they discovered floating around up there? NOTHING. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killbenau Posted February 5, 2005 Share Posted February 5, 2005 this is getting very interesting! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zgamesforu Posted February 5, 2005 Share Posted February 5, 2005 on December 31, 2019 some chinese will land on the moon, on January 1, 2020 the first sweatshop will be established on the moon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Engineer101 Posted February 5, 2005 Share Posted February 5, 2005 Moon = Tourist Attraction Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VonHelton Posted February 5, 2005 Share Posted February 5, 2005 So you're saying... lets find another planet to pollute ON TOP OF this one. Screw finding a way to solve our problems here' date=' lets just move to a new planet and do the same thing?[/quote'] Wa...... You bet your tonsils I intend to pollute Mars! In fact, I want to build huge smokestacks that belch out the ugliest, blackest smoke they can produce!! :D ......Now then. Do you know WHY I want to do that? Don't use your emotions........Use your brain. Why do I want to intentionally pollute Mars? ;) (Don't disappoint me.......I know you can figure this out). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psheldrake1 Posted February 5, 2005 Share Posted February 5, 2005 The pollutants will warm up the planet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thanatos355 Posted February 5, 2005 Share Posted February 5, 2005 So you're saying... lets find another planet to pollute ON TOP OF this one. Screw finding a way to solve our problems here' date=' lets just move to a new planet and do the same thing?[/quote'] Wa...... You bet your tonsils I intend to pollute Mars! In fact, I want to build huge smokestacks that belch out the ugliest, blackest smoke they can produce!! :D ......Now then. Do you know WHY I want to do that? Don't use your emotions........Use your brain. Why do I want to intentionally pollute Mars? ;) (Don't disappoint me.......I know you can figure this out). that's too easy vh, to help with terraforming. we need a layer of crap up there to help keep the planet warm and keep Oxy ON the planet, not in space. a man made ozone. anyone who thinks about it for a second, without wanting to rush out to save the trees that arent there, will realise this. :rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VonHelton Posted February 5, 2005 Share Posted February 5, 2005 What you're saying about NASA's "shuttle disasters" is completely nonesense' date=' "couldn't fix a ham sandwhich"....Ok, on that topic, tell me exactly how you "fix" the 3 main disasters that have occured roughly 20 years apart and all with 3 completely distinctly different causes, all occuring from distinctly DIFFERENT technology?[/quote'] I'll take that one......... :) Here in America we have a saying: "The hurrier I go, the behinder I get". It means that if we try to hard or go to fast, we're prone to make mistakes....... Went I first started out in martial arts, I studied many forms......Kenpo, Karate, Jiu Juitsu, Savate, etc. ......Then I joined Ninpo. One of the first things I was told was that I was trying to hard. I was stiff, rigid, too focused on destroying the target. Ninpo, I figured out, was none of these things. I had to flow......Like water.....In order to be victorious over my enemy. Likewise, NASA is under the presumption that we must force our way out of the atmosphere. Punch our way free of Earth's gravity. ......Perhaps that's not it at all. Instead, "flow" or "glide" our way out. Find the "eddies" or "currents" within Earth's gravity that will allow us to make our escape without the need of expensive ceramic tiles or huge monolithic rockets. One of 2 possibilities I foresee....... 1. Use the Earth's own gravity against itself to propell the craft out of the atmosphere. 2. Find & document places in the Earth's gravity that are weakest, and exploit them with a minimum of force. I believe that a computer can produce just enough thrust to escape the Earth's gravity without excessive heat to the ship. ......Billions of dollars saved, to be used instead for more construction........More ships. :D There will always be risk, but I believe my idea has merit. In ancient days, sailing vessels would find the strongest currents in the Ocean and allow those currents to literally carry them to where they wanted to go, with minimal use of the ship's sails. .......I believe that space is like that. Currents that we can ride to Mars that will cut our time by at least a 3rd, if not more. It's simply a matter of figuring those currents out & using them. See? :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VonHelton Posted February 5, 2005 Share Posted February 5, 2005 that's too easy vh' date=' to help with terraforming. we need a layer of crap up there to help keep the planet warm and keep Oxy ON the planet, not in space. a man made ozone. anyone who thinks about it for a second, without wanting to rush out to save the trees that arent there, will realise this.[/quote'] Both you & Drake are correct. By moving Earth's industrial complex to Mars, it benefits both planets. .......And, as an added bonus, the lesser gravity on Mars will increase production by at least a 5th more than normal. :cyclops: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elderbear Posted February 6, 2005 Share Posted February 6, 2005 So you're saying... lets find another planet to pollute ON TOP OF this one. Screw finding a way to solve our problems here' date=' lets just move to a new planet and do the same thing?[/quote'] Wa...... You bet your tonsils I intend to pollute Mars! In fact, I want to build huge smokestacks that belch out the ugliest, blackest smoke they can produce!! :D ......Now then. Do you know WHY I want to do that? Don't use your emotions........Use your brain. Why do I want to intentionally pollute Mars? ;) (Don't disappoint me.......I know you can figure this out). Terraforming! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VonHelton Posted February 6, 2005 Share Posted February 6, 2005 Terraforming! Bingo! :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daffydk Posted February 6, 2005 Share Posted February 6, 2005 The space station they are building is already the size of NX 1 or even bigger. Just let them complete that task first before making a ship. Once they figure out how to build that, they can build another one like it faster and put some type of engine on it so it can travel to moon or mars and take lots of supplies with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daffydk Posted February 6, 2005 Share Posted February 6, 2005 I read an article today in the news about how there is some people that suggest we should not change mars envioirnment. Like dont mess with nature.. Thats the biggest Load I have ever heard. Some people argue that why put billions in to putting people in space or mars when we could use that money to fix SS or help the homeless or feed the people in africa... The fact of the matter is that no matter how many billions you put in africa or into these problems, you wont be able to fix them. The only way to eradicate hunger in the world is if humans come together and stop fighting, stop hoarding resources and share them. And thats only going to happen if we all unite on earth. If we start to colonize the moon or Mars and go beyond Saturn and its moon.--- we would have enough resources and energy for earth that we could never exhaust. Peop.e would no longer fight over little things. We would all work together. The US wouldnt spend 450 billion on military. China, pakistan, israel, india, Russia and others wouldnt spend a ton of their budgets on military and keeping troups in some stupid arbitrary border.. or on top of kashmir mountains with no real purpose other than to piss off the other guy across the border. People should not criticize the measly 10 to 20 billion that space sciences gets. Instead they should criticize 450billion military budget. Space exploration has helped and will help mankind tremendously. Just look at how stelite communication has transformed humanity. Look at your cell phone, your internet connection, your TV signals, etc etc.. If they had never made a satelite to go into orbit, they would not have been able to do that. I could go on and on but i rest my case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VonHelton Posted February 6, 2005 Share Posted February 6, 2005 The space station they are building is already the size of NX 1 or even bigger. Not even close....... The pics I saw of the interior suggest a very narrow hallway, not much bigger than one person could get through. ......For all intense purposes, it's a tin can in space. :stare: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alaska Posted February 6, 2005 Author Share Posted February 6, 2005 Very good point Lt. Commander daffydk, and well made too. Take a bow. B) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VonHelton Posted February 6, 2005 Share Posted February 6, 2005 I read an article today in the news about how there is some people that suggest we should not change mars envioirnment. Like dont mess with nature.. Thats the biggest Load I have ever heard. I agree! :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daffydk Posted February 6, 2005 Share Posted February 6, 2005 The space station they are building is already the size of NX 1 or even bigger. Not even close....... The pics I saw of the interior suggest a very narrow hallway, not much bigger than one person could get through. ......For all intense purposes, it's a tin can in space. :stare: I dont kno wabout its interior but I read that it is at least as big as a fooball stadium. It will house quarters for several co untries from europe, Russia, US. It will also have reserach facilities to grow vegies in some part of it as well as other facilities. You might have seen just one section of it. And they are no where near completion. Btw, China was saying they are going to develop their going to go it alone and develop their own space station. That would be interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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