Did the borg get easier to kill.......?

[maverick]

since BOBW, the second encounter with the borg they seem to have gotten easier to kill.

 

in both early meetings you could have thrown the enterprises exploding warp core at em and the borg would have regenerated.

in later episodes you could look at em funny and they'd be blown to bits.

for example data calculates that a borg cube would have to have **% destoyed to stop functioning however janeway throws some attitude at em and they blow up.

 

i know knowledge of the borg advanced a lot during the first encouters but technology didnt seem to that much.

so..........

 

laters al

[yelluh]

Ddidn't Janeway borrow some technology from Species 8472 ??

[bbbb]

I'd say that the Borg became commonplace with Voyager, but never less of a threat. The Borg were and possible will remain the biggest Star Trek villain. The very concept behinnd the Borg challenges the Federation to the extreme.

[Jawa]

I agree the borg are the ultimate villain, but we have to believe that the federation can make some breakthroughs in how to kick their asses. It's vety unbelievable that hey sit back and say we can't beat them....

[DarthMarley]

It is alway a big problem in writing for such stories.

The enemy must be powerful enough to be a credible threat, yet they are inevitably stupid enough to be easily defeated by the heroes on a weekly basis.

[juhan]

The Federation is just lucky. They haven't met a race that'll send them running to the far corners of the universe, like Guinan's race. Simple case of Hollywood Syndrome where the good guys prevail. Of course they couldn't invent a race that was unstoppable! But the way the world goes, you got as much of a chance encountering good aliens compared to higher-powered aliens intent on destruction. Hell its already been proven that in an alternate universe, the Klingons could obliterate the Federation! (Refer to Season 3 TNG episode where tasha guest stars and Enterprise-B appears out of nowhere and changes the course of time).

 

 

=Han=

[weareborg]

It is alway a big problem in writing for such stories.

The enemy must be powerful enough to be a credible threat, yet they are inevitably stupid enough to be easily defeated by the heroes on a weekly basis.

 

Exactly, that is the reason why the borg got easier to kill in my opinion.

[GorunNova]

Heh... the problem is, the hero can't lose in escapist literature, and Star Trek is escapist literature ^^'... in fact, ALL televised fiction shows are pretty much escapist literature to some degree or other. Haven't seen a tale on TV about a hero holding off the inevitable for as long as possible, ever...

 

... and even that idea is probably escapist.

[Yammichi]

huh?............I thought the biggest villian in star trek was the tribble..................either that or wesley crusher...........damn that wesley and his smugg smarter than thou attitude Lol...................

[Beawulf]

they definately got easier to kill, regardless of any advances made in the defence against them...they should just adapt. and at the early stages the borg drones were armed with weapons, but later on they werent :(

[sirdick]

I watched BOBW recently and they are way scarier in that, the way the Federation react to them etc. By Voyager they just seem like part of the scenery, although don't get me wrong, I love every episode with the Borg in. The one in Enterprise was cool too.

[coolcat13]

The Borg had gotten easier and the Federation also got smarter . although one could argue that the better one knows an opponent the more flaws one could find in that opponent

[Jawa]

But the fact that the Borg don't see voyagrer as a threat/in the way is a big part of the ease of their victories. The borg are unstopable when they see you as a threat. The borg even said that humans were not good drones: weak, not overly inteligent and were best served as cannon fodder. So they wouldn't really want to assimilate the crew, had they been vulcans then i think they would have died a long time ago, strong and inteligent and they allready think like the borg...

 

That is why it got easier, i think but they still had problems in first contact, but then the borg wanted to kick ass...

[Guest c4evap]

Ddidn't Janeway borrow some technology from Species 8472 ??

 

I don't believe so. She used Borg nanoprobes (taken from seven Of Nine's bloodstream) against Species 8472 (EP: Scorpion - 3x26-4x01). Janeway also incorporated Borg technology into her ship. In fact, in the two-parter Dark Frontier (5x15-16), Voyager was actually out looking for Borg technology to "borrow". Specifically, a Trans-warp coil. Voyager made peace with Species 8472 in the EP In The Flesh (5x04).

 

EDIT: (Almost forgot) - Yes, it does seem as if the Borg got easier to kill as time went on.

 

c4 B)

[daffydk]

C4 is our voyager expert here :)

 

I am stil not convinced that the Borg got easier to be 'killed'. C4 can correct me if I am wrong, but Voyager was never really a direct threat to the borg until "Admiral Janeway" showed up from the future bring in future technology such as trans phasic torpedos.

 

species 8472 was kicking the Borgs butt by destroying thousands of borg cubes and spheres but thats a different story and and different techonology.

 

 

[daffydk]

OH what I dont understand is why the Borg never made a serious attempt, even at the beginning to take over the Federation.

 

In TNG when borg were supposed to be the baddest and meanest species, they were just one cube. And with all their might and strength, they needed picard in order to assimilate humans/earth.

 

From what I gather, they always had that transwarp Hub with exits in all 4 quadrants. IF they were serious about assimilating Earth and the federation, they could have sent 100 cubes and that would have been it.

 

In voyager, they were serious about assimilating species 8472 and you see in "scorpion 1 & 2" the borg send thousands of ships after them.

 

But back in TNG you hear about how one cube is running around in the alpha quadrant causing lots of trouble for a bunch of ships. And there is also some borg activity in the neutral zone. But nothing serious such as taking over of the klingons or cardasians or romulans or feringi or earth.

 

edit: but like I said in another thread, this is just a good fiction that cant all be explained :)

But stil it was alot of fun to watch the Borg. I loved all the episodes with borg whether it was TNG or Voyager. Too bad DS9 never had to deal with the Borg.

[Jawa]

Well, they really should screw with earth now, we can't expect that the borg are gone the can rebuild in a matter of days, all they need is to go to a planet with monkeys and make them smarter with nanoprobes, after they've rebuilt their numbers they can rebuild their domain in the delta quadrant and then send 100 cubes to destroy the alpha quadrant.

 

ooo, what would a borg changling be like??

Now that would be awsome!!!!

[atgxtg]

Yeah, the Bog did get easier. That is ineviatable when a villian gets re/over-used. What happens is that as we see the heros thwart the villians over and over, the villians loose thier air of menace.

 

"Resistance is futile, " just doesn"t have the same impact after resistance has been shown to be rather successful-mulitple times. Familiarity breeds contempt.

 

 

The more powerful the menace, the faster the effect. That is why foes that are about as tough as or only marginally more powerful than the heroes make better reoccuring villians than the overpowering types.

[malconstant]

I found what the Borg became in the movie and on Voyager extremely disappointing. The coolest/scarriest thing about them was that each of them had the memory and intelligence of the entire collective; any single one of them was tens of thousands of times smarter than any human. They didn't react to individual people because they were beneath their notice.

 

When whichever movie that was came out, they had been reduced to mindless zombies. The introduction of the Borg Queen wrecked them. Instead of an entire race as a single organism, they became modeled after an insect colony. When Picard was assimilated, he became himself plus the collective with the collective in control. He was still active and articulate. Since the movie, assimilated people are mindless husks.

 

This whole zombie mentality was reinforced by Voyager. The Borg originally didn't react to people on board their ship because they weren't considered a danger. In Voyager, they don't mind people because they're (the Borg) too stupid to notice.

 

On another note, it just recently dawned on me how much of a knock-off of the Cybermen (Doctor Who) the Borg are: a race of cyborgs that increases their number by taking and processing normal humans. C'mon, the Cybermen have even been saying "Resistance is useless!" since the late 60s. The Cybermen got a lot less interesting over time as well, too... while they were really cheezy looking at the beginning, their flat, pitch-fluctuating voices were downright creepy. By the 70s, they were just a race of metal jerks.

[Guest c4evap]

C4 is our voyager expert here :)

 

You are too kind! :D

 

I am stil not convinced that the Borg got easier to be 'killed'. C4 can correct me if I am wrong' date=' but Voyager was never really a direct threat to the borg until "Admiral Janeway" showed up from the future bring in future technology such as trans phasic torpedos.[/quote']

 

Voyager wasn't really a "direct" threat (as you said) mainly because Janeway went out of her way to avoid the Borg. As I stated eariler though...they did search from time to time for Borg technology to enhance Voyager. Janeway did give the Borg their share of headaches however...like in the EP: "Unimatrix Zero". Voyager essentially became a threat to the Borg (again, as you said) when she returned to Voyager from the future bringing advanced technology (EP: "Endgame" - 7x25-26).

 

This whole zombie mentality was reinforced by Voyager. The Borg originally didn't react to people on board their ship because they weren't considered a danger. In Voyager' date=' they don't mind people because they're (the Borg) too stupid to notice.[/quote']

 

Incorrect. Their actions/reactions remained the same. When a Voyager crew member became a threat...the Borg reacted. No threat - no reaction. Same as always.

 

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