Nightfire Posted July 6, 2005 Share Posted July 6, 2005 i think the borg just gave them a big brake, thats all. they anjoid watching voyeger sqerm in the delta quadrant and it gave them some rec. time when they were not assimilating the unuvers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest c4evap Posted July 7, 2005 Share Posted July 7, 2005 i think the borg just gave them a big brake' date=' thats all. they anjoid watching voyeger sqerm in the delta quadrant and it gave them some rec. time when they were not assimilating the unuvers[/quote'] Yeah...the Borg queen was over confident. Added to her downfall no doubt. That and the other things I mentioned served Voyager well. BTW...what the heck is that thing in your avatar doing? c4 B) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest c4evap Posted July 7, 2005 Share Posted July 7, 2005 Voyager the most resourceful of ANY crew? Oh come now, the TOS crew would've gotten back home in 3 months. "Scotty, I need you to get us back to the alpha quadrant, and FAST!" "Cap'n, I canna violat' the laws o' physics!" "Just do it" "Well.. OK" ZOOM! OK. True! :p I remember a TNG EP where Scotty was found trapped in a transporter buffer. After being freed he was hangin' with Geordi and he (Geordi) said something to Picard about some repairs being almost completed. Scotty then explains to Geordi that he should always over estimate the repair time. That way when you finish sooner then expected you'll look like a "miracle worker". That sob could take an empty toilet paper roll, some chicken wire and monkey grease and get an extra .6 outta the warp engines! EDIT: Hummmmmmmm...B'Elanna and Scotty...I wonder... ;) c4 B) You mean when a job will take you one hour to do, but you SAY that it will take 4 hours? I believe that is known as "pullin' a Scotty". And ya know what, it really works! I pull mini-scotties at work all the time. When an order is almost done, and the server asks how much longer, I tell them around 10 mins or so, but 'I'll see what I can do just for you'. boom. Miricle worker status every time. EDIT: that ep was Relics BTW. Season 5 I believe. Yeah. I do that at work as well. Got me a good rep too! ;) BTW: The EP "Relics" was from season 6 - ep 4. Link. c4 B) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjnave Posted July 7, 2005 Share Posted July 7, 2005 i think the borg just gave them a big brake' date=' thats all. they anjoid watching voyeger sqerm in the delta quadrant and it gave them some rec. time when they were not assimilating the unuvers[/quote'] i think that Janeway was just too clever for the Borg Queen. In Endgame you can see the obvious disdain/hatred that the Queen had for Janeway. Once, the way she says her name, and again when at the end she assimilates her... rather violently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macnbc Posted July 7, 2005 Share Posted July 7, 2005 But Janeway SHOULDN'T be too clever for the Borg Queen, that goes against the whole concept of the Borg. The Borg are supposed to be a hive mind, embodied in the form of the Queen, in short, one person who possesses the intelligence of BILLIONS of people put together. No one person should ever be too clever for that. The Borg not only got easier to kill, they got easier to outsmart. Sloppy writing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjnave Posted July 7, 2005 Share Posted July 7, 2005 One of the whole messages in Star Trek though is the power of the individuality of humanity. Which is why the Borg wanted a Locutus of Borg. I think that the show simply operates along the lines that there is something in humanity which cannot ever be assimilated... and that something is why earth and Janeway oustmart the Borg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jawa Posted July 8, 2005 Share Posted July 8, 2005 what i don't undestand is why don't the borg go into the future and get advanced tech travel back to the past and be even more unbeatable, they do go backwords in time... That future borg in the one episode of voyager was well a lot better than the borg we know now. They can do this like every time they get back, cause in going back they will make the future even more advanced. Evt. they will come to a pure borg galaxy... What a wonderful place... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest c4evap Posted July 8, 2005 Share Posted July 8, 2005 But Janeway SHOULDN'T be too clever for the Borg Queen' date=' that goes against the whole concept of the Borg. The Borg are supposed to be a hive mind, embodied in the form of the Queen, in short, one person who possesses the intelligence of BILLIONS of people put together. No one person should ever be too clever for that. The Borg not only got easier to kill, they got easier to outsmart. Sloppy writing. [/quote'] Not at all. She found it easy to outsmart the "hive mind" because she is an individual. A free thinker. The hive mind is regimented in their "thinking". They might discard a course of action that Janeway would find promise in. Also, the Borg queen was way too much in love with herself. OVER CONFIDENCE is a mofo my friend...and she was way too over confident. I suppose that comes with possessing the intelligence of BILLIONS of people. There's intelligence and then there's "street smarts". Janeway had street smarts! i think that Janeway was just too clever for the Borg Queen. In Endgame you can see the obvious disdain/hatred that the Queen had for Janeway. Once' date=' the way she says her name, and again when at the end she assimilates her... rather violently. [/quote'] That's another failing of the Borg queen...she really did despise Janeway. She often let her disdain get the better of her. And you're right...you can really see it in Endgame. One of the whole messages in Star Trek though is the power of the individuality of humanity. Which is why the Borg wanted a Locutus of Borg. I think that the show simply operates along the lines that there is something in humanity which cannot ever be assimilated... and that something is why earth and Janeway oustmart the Borg Good point. There's an EP (Dark Frontier - 5x15/16) in which the Borg Queen wants to use Seven Of Nine's new found individuality and humanity so she can understand human resistance. She was totally puzzled as to why Voyager fought so hard against assimilation. She just didn't have a clue. Also, the Borg had problems with their own collective rebelling (Unimatrix Zero - 6x26/7x01). The bigger they are - they harder they fall... EDIT: Hey! How come the "quote thing" isn't working..? c4 B) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
razorlock Posted July 12, 2005 Share Posted July 12, 2005 The thing I liked about Enterprise was the dark path it took. Star Trek is generally pretty upbeat. But it's generally, all been done, too. My hope for Enterprise, at one point, had been that it would completly go against Star Trek lore, and start an entirely new universe of choices and options. A choice or a mistake that would undermine Star Trek's history. Maybe Archer, in some episode set in the future, hands over Kirk to the Klingons, believing Kirk to have been callous in his actions. You know, a different path. The borg, unfortunately, like all other things, are bound to stick to the path that's here allready. The basis of which is the supremacy, moral and military of humanity. (The federation is basicaly a human only band, with token aliens. Sure, the basis of the Fed is different planets, but it's humans centrestage.) The borg can not win. In every story the humans have to outwit or outmoral them. This has been the fall of Star Trek, I think. No real surprises anymore. There may have been eyebrows fluttering in surprise, but you've never really been wondering how things will turn out. When things did become a little volatile, with Enterprise, you get all the trekkies bitching about it not being in-line with previous lore. Trekkies don't want things to change. Trekkies don't want timelines disturbed. Trekkies sure don't want things to turn dark. And trekkies don't want borg to kick human butt. Don't expect foes to do anything drastic, any time soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vektram Posted July 12, 2005 Share Posted July 12, 2005 I haven't seen much early Borg, but to me they've always been the same: boring. Everyone says they're the coolest villains etc. but I don't really get why. For me having a race that's almost unbeatable, won't negotiate and is hell-bent on assimilating the entire universe is just an excuse for not thinking up really awesome villains. Please... don't stone me to death. :p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TFMF Posted July 12, 2005 Share Posted July 12, 2005 I haven't seen much early Borg, but to me they've always been the same: boring. Everyone says they're the coolest villains etc. but I don't really get why. For me having a race that's almost unbeatable, won't negotiate and is hell-bent on assimilating the entire universe is just an excuse for not thinking up really awesome villains. Please... don't stone me to death. :p Why isn't the fact that they show no mercy - assimilating the galaxy without being stopped not a cool villan - would you prefer that they could easily be defeated and instead of assimilating other worlds they made peace with them - scary stuff... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vektram Posted July 12, 2005 Share Posted July 12, 2005 I haven't seen much early Borg, but to me they've always been the same: boring. Everyone says they're the coolest villains etc. but I don't really get why. For me having a race that's almost unbeatable, won't negotiate and is hell-bent on assimilating the entire universe is just an excuse for not thinking up really awesome villains. Please... don't stone me to death. :p Why isn't the fact that they show no mercy - assimilating the galaxy without being stopped not a cool villan - would you prefer that they could easily be defeated and instead of assimilating other worlds they made peace with them - scary stuff... But isn't Star Trek supposed to be about making peace with other species etc. the Klingons are a good example of this, they're very warlike but the point is the Federation made a kind of peace. It's not supposed to be an action series, it's supposed to be about exploring etc. The Borg just seem to me to be an excuse for not writing much of an episode. They're not very deep. The guy who kept changing the timelines in Voyager, now he was a villain. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TFMF Posted July 12, 2005 Share Posted July 12, 2005 But isn't Star Trek supposed to be about making peace with other species etc. the Klingons are a good example of this, they're very warlike but the point is the Federation made a kind of peace. It's not supposed to be an action series, it's supposed to be about exploring etc. The Borg just seem to me to be an excuse for not writing much of an episode. They're not very deep. The guy who kept changing the timelines in Voyager, now he was a villain. :) Star Trek does need action though and the Borg were perfect for creating the best enemy that could outwit the Federation and also made a few nice cliffhangers - Clearly First Contact was very popular - it made $92,027,888 US Box Office and £8,528,749 UK Box Office - so obviously the Borg are popular Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vektram Posted July 13, 2005 Share Posted July 13, 2005 They can't outwit the Federation, they don't have to, that's the point I'm trying to get across. I don't think that a villain who just rampages through, hardly uses any intelligence to dodge attacks and so forth is really that great. I'm not denying that the Borg are popular, I just can't see what's so great about them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest c4evap Posted July 13, 2005 Share Posted July 13, 2005 I don't think that a villain who just rampages through' date=' hardly uses any intelligence to dodge attacks and so forth is really that great.[/quote'] You speaking of the Borg or President Bush? ;) c4 :p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vektram Posted July 13, 2005 Share Posted July 13, 2005 I don't think that a villain who just rampages through' date=' hardly uses any intelligence to dodge attacks and so forth is really that great.[/quote'] You speaking of the Borg or President Bush? ;) c4 :p Haha Both as a matter of fact :p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
razorlock Posted July 13, 2005 Share Posted July 13, 2005 Bush may be a borg, come to think of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest c4evap Posted July 13, 2005 Share Posted July 13, 2005 Bush may be a borg' date=' come to think of it.[/quote'] Well, I decided to investigate this further so I contacted a "friend" deep inside Borg territory. I received this picture in a subspace communication this morning. Now we know! c4 :p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jawa Posted July 13, 2005 Share Posted July 13, 2005 dude that is patrick stewarts right eye..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest c4evap Posted July 13, 2005 Share Posted July 13, 2005 dude that is patrick stewarts right eye..... ...that's OK. He doesn't mind sharing. From what I understand...he borrowed his bolas as well... c4 ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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