Tenebrae Posted December 7, 2005 Share Posted December 7, 2005 I've been watching season 7 and they transport Kira to Empok Nor... They say "Oh, Dominion transporters have a better range than ours - with a beacon upto 3 lightyears." 3 LIGHT YEARS?! And then they had those Houdini Mines... but anyway, with that kind of range all I can think is - why aren't the Domion sneaking homing beacons... (although it's not made clear whether it's only beaming one way... in which case, more complicated) onto planets and then going BAM 100,000 JEM'HADAR. They hardly ever seem to use transporter scramblers/blockers except in siege situations - so it seems strange for them not to have used the tactic (although it's possible it has happened and was never mentioned). It just annoys me that they mention these things so casually and then just assume that they're never used properly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TFMF Posted December 7, 2005 Share Posted December 7, 2005 Well i really don't think they could tranport large forces at that kind of range - i'd say one person even would be the limit... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenebrae Posted December 7, 2005 Author Share Posted December 7, 2005 Fine then, transport in a Founder and get them to disable stuff. Or a surgically altered agent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dadda Posted December 7, 2005 Share Posted December 7, 2005 You can't beam through a shield... That what my experience eny way... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenebrae Posted December 7, 2005 Author Share Posted December 7, 2005 Been using the transporter a lot? But as I said - Star Trek doesn't seem to have the equivalent of the planetary shields in Star Wars. As I said, even transport scramblers don't seem that common and they have a limited range. I mean, even if you could only send in a couple of troops at a time outside of range... well - you could send them in over time. Build up a force. To be fair, if they can do it with some kind of homing beacon thing... you'd think that you could mass transport tropps over lightyears - presumably in seconds. Or at least faster than ships. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TFMF Posted December 7, 2005 Share Posted December 7, 2005 Yeah the Dominion could beam a Founder onto Earth - but they've done that before....i don't actually know why it's so inefctive - the could have caused a lot of damage that way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenebrae Posted December 8, 2005 Author Share Posted December 8, 2005 Let's face it - the simple answer is plot. Five founders on Earth. They could have ripped Earth to shreds with terrorism, infighting, fear and paranoia. They were doing a good job... then they forgot about that in season four OOPS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostShadow Posted December 8, 2005 Share Posted December 8, 2005 well, i too just watched that eps a few hours ago and if I remember correctly they transported Kira off by using the transpoter on Empok nor, and then on top of that kira had to be holding that littel bead looking thing. So i would assume that the Dominion could not just beam over there unless maybe they had thoes beads already in place... but that kinda a strech. And i bet that they use the Supped out transporters for resuce attempts on captured Vorta. (and if that fails the Vorta kill themself). So a large scale jem hedar invasion using thoes transpoters is porbly unlikley. although it would be cool :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostShadow Posted December 8, 2005 Share Posted December 8, 2005 You can't beam through a shield... That what my experience eny way... Well, if I remember correctly the Jem Hedar could, but l dont remeber if they stopped doing that or not, i think their where reports of the jem hedar becoming 'steral' after walking through a forcefeild. lol :p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TFMF Posted December 8, 2005 Share Posted December 8, 2005 And also - many starships, stations etc wouldn't have there sheilds up all the time - just a waste of power Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostShadow Posted December 8, 2005 Share Posted December 8, 2005 especialy if it was a time of war Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenebrae Posted December 8, 2005 Author Share Posted December 8, 2005 Considering the number of times that the Enterprise etc. gets taken by surprise... hell, the number of times people manage to get onto EVERY ship/station in Trek is hilarious. You'd think they'd be doing SOMETHING to stop random people just beaming warheads/troops aboard. Basically - my point is this: Given what we see in Covenant, it's clearly not hard to execute a long range transport with those beacons and there is a myriad of examples that show that shields are down most of the time - which is likely irrelevant anyway as the Jem'Hadar have invasive transporters. Anyway, even if you could only beam in a few people at a time (really, that seems a bit unlikely because all you would need to do would be build a gigantic "transporter ship" if the tactic was viable) you could still establish a presence overtime for covert ops, surgical strikes etc. It's just clumsy to give them that kind of advantage then never have them use it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arktis Posted December 9, 2005 Share Posted December 9, 2005 You guys already know this but I'll say it anyways. There are just some things in Star Trek that just don't make sense. The makers can try to explain them away, but it always ends up being something extremely convoluted and ridiculous, such as the explanation for the Klingon brow ridges. Sadly, it's like a religion... when something doesn't make any sense, you've just gotta make a leap of faith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostShadow Posted December 9, 2005 Share Posted December 9, 2005 Considering the number of times that the Enterprise etc. gets taken by surprise... hell, the number of times people manage to get onto EVERY ship/station in Trek is hilarious. You'd think they'd be doing SOMETHING to stop random people just beaming warheads/troops aboard. Basically - my point is this: Given what we see in Covenant, it's clearly not hard to execute a long range transport with those beacons and there is a myriad of examples that show that shields are down most of the time - which is likely irrelevant anyway as the Jem'Hadar have invasive transporters. Anyway, even if you could only beam in a few people at a time (really, that seems a bit unlikely because all you would need to do would be build a gigantic "transporter ship" if the tactic was viable) you could still establish a presence overtime for covert ops, surgical strikes etc. It's just clumsy to give them that kind of advantage then never have them use it. what do you mean that you can easily use the long range tranz to get aboard? As i have siad, I dont think that it works to tranz ppl to a place, as much so at to tranz pll off. We never saw anyone be beamed over with it. We saw Kira be beamed AWAY. The person has to probly be holding the bead inorder to get a clear reading. You can just tranz port some one to the bead looking thing.. at least that would be my guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TFMF Posted December 9, 2005 Share Posted December 9, 2005 Although....we have seen transmitions be sent over long distances so....with modification.....long range transport could be a lot easier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostShadow Posted December 10, 2005 Share Posted December 10, 2005 Although....we have seen transmitions be sent over long distances so....with modification.....long range transport could be a lot easier Well Transmitions are not mass or matter. Transporters from what i understand are a lot more complicated. If your not careful you can end up in a pile pf slug, or bones. (This is my 1,000th post whoop :P ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TFMF Posted December 10, 2005 Share Posted December 10, 2005 Hmm...well somthing similar anyway - it just requires a way of transporting at long range and that won't need some kind transmitter that could transport the energy long distance.... (hehe - this is my 1929th post!!!) SIGNIFICANT OR WHAT!!!! ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostShadow Posted December 13, 2005 Share Posted December 13, 2005 but this transporter would give a mssive advantage in the war aginst the borg, if they could get it to work better or mass produce them. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naikou Posted December 26, 2005 Share Posted December 26, 2005 the transporter in question was recieve only(with a target lock aid device thingymajig), and in all honesty, the federation caught a bunch of lucky breaks(read semi divine intervention, in the form of wormhole aliens.), vegas odds would have been on dominion winning that war, as that transporter technology is almost useless in a 'war', infiltration on the other hand.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbbb Posted December 29, 2005 Share Posted December 29, 2005 Wow, 3 light year transporter. That would make Bush even more paranoid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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