nx01rules Posted December 21, 2005 Share Posted December 21, 2005 http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0408305/ - have a look here.. Breath a sigh of relief' date=' 'tis not true at all: http://www.syfyportal.com/article.php?id=2168[/quote'] That link is dead - nothing on that page. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyseir Posted December 22, 2005 Share Posted December 22, 2005 "Star Trek: The Beginning (2007)" Damnit. What's with all this Prequel stuff? I'd rather something post-nemesis :-/ The whole old space tech thing going on with enterprise is part of the reason it failed IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TFMF Posted December 22, 2005 Share Posted December 22, 2005 "Star Trek: The Beginning (2007)" Damnit. What's with all this Prequel stuff? I'd rather something post-nemesis :-/ The whole old space tech thing going on with enterprise is part of the reason it failed IMO. I agree - they actually made ENT more advanced when they got to season 2/3 i think and that's probably the only reason it went on for 4 seasons - i enjoyed Season 3 because it had all these battles and it was all alone - reminded me of Voyager in a way... This Star Trek: The Beginning already dosn't appeal to me.....unless....it means the beginning of some new war or somthing like that - keeping with a post Nemesis theme but i'm not sure if that will happen... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arktis Posted December 22, 2005 Share Posted December 22, 2005 Thank heavans. They need to just stop making Star Trek for a few decades anyways. so life should stop just because we already did that once WOW lets have more startrek there is an appetite for it cos it's on sky at least twice a day every day and they wouldn't screen it unless people watched it just button counters at paramount never counted the repeat fees from the rest of the world when they stopped enterprise Let me put it this way Which would you rather have; wholesale or HQ imports? Mass production or painstaking quality controll? Butter or cheese? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dabrood Posted December 22, 2005 Share Posted December 22, 2005 http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0408305/ - have a look here.. Breath a sigh of relief' date=' 'tis not true at all: http://www.syfyportal.com/article.php?id=2168[/quote'] That link is dead - nothing on that page. Both links are dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slug Posted December 22, 2005 Share Posted December 22, 2005 Getting some new dude in could work well if he's writing new characters, unlike what happened with Nemesis, where the new guy managed to sap the life out of the well established characters, hell they should have got Frakes to do Nemesis, it may have allowed some humanity to be present. I think they got spooked by Insurrection and decided that film about a random planet and some TOS-like story was not enough to hold audiences, thus they needed a return to overstated-threat to Earth style plot and get someone totally unfarmiliar to balls it up. I think in retrospect that Insurrection is somewhat underrated and should not be forgotten, it had nice old-school location filming and plot ideas, see it as TNG's 'Final Frontier' as a slice of well spirited Trek true to the show's original intentions. The real thing that really does let these films down however is the 'Oh Hi Worf, nice of you to drop in.' thing which just got ridiculous, the films were a little stifled running alongside the timelines of multiple TV series. New film idea sounds good, if it can create characters whose fates we actually care about, then putting them in the unique position of being killed off at random, this could be difficult, observable in the response to Serenity, those that had loved the series were glued to there seat in shock at the very real sense of vulnerability generated by the unfortunate fate of certain characters, wheras those who had not seen the series were perhaps somewhat indifferent to what happened to who, this shows that even with decent characterisation it is difficult to make people care about characlers that are 90 minutes old. Trek could take some inspiration from Serenity, if a DS9 film had been possible, they could have simply killed off a couple of the characters for effect throughout and the movie would have had bite. A film like this could still work, if maybe an eclectic mix of characters from the 3 24thc series were brought together in a not to exaggerated way, they could just kill characters off and keep us glued to our seat, its not like any of these characters are ever going to be used again for anything anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenebrae Posted December 22, 2005 Share Posted December 22, 2005 Insurrection was weak - it wasn't a film, so much as just a big episode. One of my friends commented after seeing it "I expected them to say - "And next on BBC2, the simpsons". But yes, the inclusion of Worf for no other reason than he was in TNG was stupid. In Nemesis, I half expected them to say "Glad to see you spending your holiday from DS9 with us Worf." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Centurion Posted December 22, 2005 Share Posted December 22, 2005 I know it doesn't mean much, but I think that First Contact and Insurrection were better than Generations and Nemesis. So maybe Frakes should get another chance to direct a Trek movie. What do you think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TFMF Posted December 22, 2005 Share Posted December 22, 2005 I found Insurrection to be quite good actually and First Contact was very good of course. I think he should be given another chance - he is a very good director Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bapman Posted December 22, 2005 Share Posted December 22, 2005 Insurrection was ok... I KNOW it wasn't very good movie. BUT I personally enjoyed it... way more than I enjoyed NEMESIS or even GENERATIONS... in GENERATIONs I actually fell asleep during the finale fight with Kirk... Picard and the Malcom Mcdowell. NEMESIS was just plain bad movie. FRAKES is easily a very good director... 1's Contact is a perfect example. INSURRECTION too 'cause he took a simple 2 parter idea and did his best to Transform it into a movie but I agree wholeheartedly with Tenebrae. While the movie was nice... it was NOT a movie movie... more like a 3 parter episode. Sadly... I doubt its the directors who are at fault... considering they are not the ones who write the stories. The writers in ST seriously lack creativity... and well... basically they r just bland. Their lines are unoriginal... the situations are predictable... and there's rarely any tension. But... I gotta admit the writers for Enterprise Season 4 were awesome... they should try their hand on a movie. And either Frakes or Singer shud try to direct it... 'cause seriously speaking... Singer is a way... WAY better director than Frakes plus he's a writer himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slug Posted December 23, 2005 Share Posted December 23, 2005 I suppose that First Contact best equates to Wrath of Khan, as both are gritty films which personify the best of both cycles, and again Insurrection parrallels Star Trek V, in that they are both largley forgettable but sometimes it is pleasant to remember that they exist. Nemesis should have been an attempt at making a film on par with Star Trek VI, with, say, some wide ranging political intrigue, using the Romulans, perhaps in a post Dominion war context that could easily have been explained to those that had not seen DS9. But no, for some reason, they went for doing a 'khan' like movie again, which they'd already done, the crew were too worn out for that, whereas Undiscovered Country took the crew's haggeredness and embraced it. Even Data's death, somehow just didn't cut it when the whole crew just seemed so tired. The strength of the original films was that they had continuity between them, even though The Voyage Home was for the most part farce, it was still a classic on account of the odd scenario, flying home to face trial in a stolen Klingon Bird of Prey with a wacked out resurrected Spock was excellent, the film really benefitted from the removal of the Enterprise. In contrast the Tng films are made weak by running alongside TV series, with no real chance of the sort of continuity seen between films 2 and 4. I simply cannot overstate how bad the'Worf thing' is in reference to this, it only worked in First Contact, where it instead just made DS9 look bad for not really aknowledging the events (I believe a planned explanation to First Contact/battered Defiant was planned but dropped due to its potential to confuse audiences) By the later fims it was just a joke, and made the scenario of each film seem unnatural. Worf should have just stayed in one place, probably never being in DS9, which was strong enough without him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmvonr Posted December 23, 2005 Share Posted December 23, 2005 http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0408305/ This link is dead or never existed as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maverick Posted December 23, 2005 Share Posted December 23, 2005 http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0408305/ - have a look here.. Breath a sigh of relief' date=' 'tis not true at all: http://www.syfyportal.com/article.php?id=2168[/quote'] That link is dead - nothing on that page. Both links are dead. R.I.P links. you lived a fruitful life amen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nx01rules Posted December 23, 2005 Share Posted December 23, 2005 Argh.. Looks like they took it down, before it had a movie on it, "Star Trek: The Beginning (2007)". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob43434 Posted December 23, 2005 Share Posted December 23, 2005 They get the romulan earth war from the original series. In the episode "Balance of Terror", the Romulans made their first apperance. It was also the first time that the Federation saw what a Romulan looked like. In the 22nd century (I think it was) The Federation and teh Romulans were involed in a war that nuclear weapons were used heavly. The only communication between both sides was radio. The end of the war resulted in the Netural Zone being set up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Centurion Posted December 24, 2005 Share Posted December 24, 2005 I'd really like to know how the writers of a movie/series about the Romulan wars would explain the use of nuclear weapons and radio communication in the conflict after the level of technology presented on Enterprise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcroft Posted December 24, 2005 Share Posted December 24, 2005 I once had three Idea's floating about in my head about a new Series. One was Star Trek Excelsior - about the adventures of Captain Sulu and the crew of the U.S.S. Excelsior - with the pilot being a tie in with Star Trek VI - expanding upon the events of the film and from the Excelsior’s viewpoint, and then having the ship exploring the Beta Quadrant - with more Romulan and Klingon involvement then space anomalies. The second idea that I developed more was Star Trek Nemesis (yes same name) but I developed that idea when I was 14 and had broken my knee cap. That idea revolved around the U.S.S. Valiant, a war ship. I even sent the script off to Paramount. The pilot also used the original U.S.S. Defiant as a plot opening device. It was set in the year 2405 - the Valiant being one of only four dedicated Warships built by the Federation. Lets just say I have a 270 episode arc planned out for that one that could span 9 seasons, and had semi interesting sub stories that also explained the Borg over a series of two parters, each season having a Borg two parter. Might see if I can develop the series into a book. The third idea I had, was Star Trek Battlelines. Not about one specific ship, but about explaining some of the events that have happened through out the series from different crew’s perspective. Not all the stories would be on a Starship, and not all season would be on the same ship. They would span across several crews, changing effectively each time the crew died. This would not only explain some Trek lore, but also provide an interesting spin. I was thinking of having it set in the 24th Century, but not jumping straight into the Battle of Worf 359. I was thinking of explaining some of the situations that Miles O'Brien had talked about - with regards to the battles with the Cardassian's. Worf 359 wouldn't be reached until about season 3 (a little tribute) and then the stories would probably be not only FX laden, but would also explain and place you in the midst of scenario’s. Not all the crew's would be killed, but there wouldn't be many survivors. That would then lead nicely into DS9's Dominion War - which considering what was happening (and being a huge fan of DS9) you really didn't see that much off. Taking not only scenarios like the Siege of AR 558, but also the huge space battles seen in season 6+7 and maybe that three month period not seen in Season 6. I didn't really have Battlelines as developed as Nemesis, but I might develop that when bored. The point that I was also going to make is that if that idea (Nemesis) was to be picked up (hahaha) that I would have had the pilot begin as a movie, and then take the rest of the series from that Pilot. The sets would be inherited, and you would have more of them. The sets would be far better built due to budgets (as well as props and costumes) it just lends itself better from starting with a film and continuing in a series. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob43434 Posted December 25, 2005 Share Posted December 25, 2005 Paramount actually kicked around the idea of having the new series about the USS Excelsior, set after Star Trek 6, but decided on going with Enterprise, and making it a prequel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcroft Posted December 25, 2005 Share Posted December 25, 2005 well the powers that be at paramount might think about picking up an Excelsior series again - maybe even a movie - It would make George Takei happy, although to be honest, he is getting a little old now. I hope that the new movie isn't a prequel though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blayo Posted December 27, 2005 Share Posted December 27, 2005 I don't think so. I'm optimistic. Since no BERMAN or BRAGGA... only Michael Piller erm, Michael Piller died from cancer on November 10th, so i guess he wont be writing the next ST movie RIP :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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