GhostShadow Posted January 2, 2006 Share Posted January 2, 2006 I was on Memory Alpha and i was reading about the Omega partical and it left me thinking just how much it is like the Atomic bomb. Atomic Fusion is used for energy and as a weapon by several world powers. And this left me thinking.. I know that the Federation is very strict and Anal about the partical due to its very distuctive power, but does any one think that if the federation's hand was forced, would they use it as a weapon? now plz dont scoff this off as 'hell no'.. b/c during the Dominion war the Federation broke several of their own laws to win. And the Omega Directive is just another law. I think that they would use it as a very last resort. Since the omega partical was a top secret project and was discovered/invented with full knowlage of what it was, and since Star Fleet accepts secret orginazations like section 31, i actualy think it would be foolish not to be developing it into a weapon. In the Star Trek Series the Federation is constintly reapting what its founders of Humans did on earth, hundreds of years ago. The Atomic bomb is very danguros and is being used and tested even today in underground facilties. So i would assume that the Federation is developing and testing it in secret locations all around their space. What do all of you think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mav Posted January 2, 2006 Share Posted January 2, 2006 No way to know. On one hand most of the Federation and Starfleet would probably take the higher stance and never even think of using it. Same reason why in Nemesis you don't see the Enterprise E using any of the future technology Voyager brought back. Then again when you have people like the Maquis who will do what they think is right to save people, who's to say they wouldn't try. All I know is if the Borg have had heavy casulties resulting from toying with this, it cannot be good... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostShadow Posted January 2, 2006 Author Share Posted January 2, 2006 yeah but the federation and star Fleet have created things that the borg can not even fathem. I.E. The new nano machiens used aginst 8472, and the Virus used aginst the borg in VOY, and even the new armour and weapons seen in 'end game'-VOY... So i think that the federation is very resourceful and could pull it off, i mean section 31 created a virus aginst the Founders and the Dominion couldnt find a cure and they have VAST resources and 'round the clock' research... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vja150870 Posted January 2, 2006 Share Posted January 2, 2006 Civilization is only a veneer that we use to mask our true, primal selves. For instance, self-preservation is one of Humanity's main instincts and has enabled us to evolve from primitive ape-like creatures foraging off the land to not so primitive ape-like creatures foraging off a shop's shelves. As the seat of the Federation is based on Earth, as Earth is the Home world of Humanity, and as Starfleet appears predominanty human, you bet your ass the Omega Particle would be used. Let's face it, if Starfleet won't use one overtly, then Section 31 can arrange a little "accident". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raVid Posted January 2, 2006 Share Posted January 2, 2006 In the context of the overall story I don't think they would ever use the particle, because it destroys a huge area of subspace, and they would never be able to use warp drive in the area of detonation again. Starfleet is too mindful of the future to do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TFMF Posted January 2, 2006 Share Posted January 2, 2006 Perhaps the Federation woudn't directly - but i'm sure Section 31 would love to experiment with the stuff... But to be honest i think the substence is too volitile to use safely - it could be a lot more trouble than it's worth...And i think if say the Romulans or the Borg even - found out that they were experimenting with the stuff then that could cause chaos - we all know how suspicious the Romulans are and the Borg are attracted to the stuff like magnets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mav Posted January 2, 2006 Share Posted January 2, 2006 So i think that the federation is very resourceful and could pull it off, i mean section 31 created a virus aginst the Founders and the Dominion couldnt find a cure and they have VAST resources and 'round the clock' research... Afaik (correct me if wrong), Section 31 was and has operated outside of Federation law for quite some time. What they do, they do "in protection" of Starfleet and the Federation. Just cause they engineered the virus aganist the Changelings (which they infected Odo with to spread...) doesn't mean the higher ups in Starfleet approved it, hell most probably didn't even know about it until Bashir brought it up. There are many more ways to get that kind of power. Why not have Riker just ask Q for a second chance? Q and the Continuim have always had an inkling about him and wanted him apart of them, I wouldn't put it past them to give him that second chance. Then he could just turn around and in a snap of his fingers do away with whatever threat they faced, without the need for Omega Particles ;p Granted thats more of a stretch than some other methods, but with the proper build up and execution, it'd be cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostShadow Posted January 2, 2006 Author Share Posted January 2, 2006 Section 31 is protected by high admrials in star fleet. I dont think that the federation knows about them. so since the main goal of Star Fleet is to protect and preserve earth and the federation, i dont think they would even think twice about doing it. And the Omega partical's strenth is dependent on how many particals are 'cahined' together. Star Fleet could use this weapon to completely wipe out sectors of space and leave it unable to sustain a warp feild. This could prevent more enemy ships from renforceing a sector. I think if Star fleet could predict the amount of force they use, they would use it. I mean that if a Fleet of jem hedar warships was surrounding earth- i am sure that they would use the partical then. it would take out every thing in like 3.5 light years. And about that Q thing. The federation and Star Flet have friends with high powers like Q. Remember Wesley Crusher went off with the Travlers, but he wasnt there to hel them during the Dominion war. ( at least not out side of the books which ppl hate b/c they never read them an concider them non-cannon ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TFMF Posted January 2, 2006 Share Posted January 2, 2006 So i think that the federation is very resourceful and could pull it off, i mean section 31 created a virus aginst the Founders and the Dominion couldnt find a cure and they have VAST resources and 'round the clock' research... Afaik (correct me if wrong), Section 31 was and has operated outside of Federation law for quite some time. What they do, they do "in protection" of Starfleet and the Federation. Just cause they engineered the virus aganist the Changelings (which they infected Odo with to spread...) doesn't mean the higher ups in Starfleet approved it, hell most probably didn't even know about it until Bashir brought it up. Well Section 31 was part of the original charter when the Federation was set up - and the Federation does seem to know about it's existance - though, most likely, there is an Admiral high up that makes sure their work goes un-interupted. If Section 31 were to use the molocule - i doubt Starfleet would stop them... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostShadow Posted January 2, 2006 Author Share Posted January 2, 2006 i doubt that they COULD stop them ,lol. Section 31 has proven that it can do what ever it wants when ever. I dont know if any one can stop them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenebrae Posted January 2, 2006 Share Posted January 2, 2006 The problem with the Omega Particle is that it's incredibly destructive - which is why the A-bomb analogy is a good one. By using it, you're ensuring that there will be large areas of space where warp speed is no longer possible. You really have to ask what kind of enemy is going to need a sacrifice of that nature... but presumably if that kind of action was even considered, it would have to be a threat that made the Dominion and Borg look like a bunch of wooses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TFMF Posted January 2, 2006 Share Posted January 2, 2006 Not necessarily - for example - lets say the Founder on Cardassia in the Dominion War was in possession of an Omega Partical - She lost the war - she could have used this partical as one last attempt to stop the Federation - sure it would have destroyed Cardassia - but in those kinds of situations it can make you desperate and do desperate things. If Odo wasn't there to link with her and make her see reason - she would have made sure the Dominion faught till the last man. The same could be said for other situations like this. So although we could say the partical is deadly that it would never be used - that may not always be the case..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arktis Posted January 2, 2006 Share Posted January 2, 2006 Of course the federation would use the omega particle. We often see that the feds are willing to do dangerous and questionable things... if not officially, certainly a rogue group within starfleet would covertly attempt to harness it. Like section 31, or perhaps some group infiltrated and/or monitored by section 31. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostShadow Posted January 3, 2006 Author Share Posted January 3, 2006 I see that we agree for the most part. A lot pf ppl i have asked said that they would not use it b/c of its distructive power, yet the atomic bomb is distructive, and ppl threaten to use it all the time. America still test them yearly underground. i would think that the Federation would do the same with the Omega partical... The Federation pretends to be nice and happy and wants to be your friend when actualy i see them like ex-commander endington saw them, like the borg. They are willing to put aside all moral reason to survive, and they assimilate you. the only diffrence is you know that the borg are assimilating you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arktis Posted January 3, 2006 Share Posted January 3, 2006 Wow. For once we agree. Funny thing. Kinda sad, really. I doubt this would be a topic of debate if ST was stopped after TNG or the same standards were kept in the additional series. By the way, "Last edited Today, 4:20 pm by GhostShadow", duuuuude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostShadow Posted January 3, 2006 Author Share Posted January 3, 2006 Wow. For once we agree. Funny thing. Kinda sad' date=' really. I doubt this would be a topic of debate if ST was stopped after TNG or the same standards were kept in the additional series. By the way, "Last edited Today, 4:20 pm by GhostShadow", duuuuude.[/quote'] what do you mean by the last edited?? I went back to fix some spelling... And yea it is weird that we do agree, lol. But then ST wouldnt be as popular as it is now if it stopped at TNG, b/c ppl like the borg and the Dominion and we got plenty of them in DS9 and VOY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raVid Posted January 3, 2006 Share Posted January 3, 2006 They may be able to detonate one molecule, but they certainly would not be able to detonate more. Just look at that TNG ep (the first duty, I think) where Wesley tried to cover up what happened, and Picard threatened to go public with it. After seeing the effects of the first explosion, some morally and duty obligated officers in Starfleet would make sure that no more would be detonated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TFMF Posted January 3, 2006 Share Posted January 3, 2006 Well yes i agree there but i think if Starfleet were to do this - they'd do it very secretly - and probably in an isolated section of space so if anything goes wrong people arn't hurt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arktis Posted January 3, 2006 Share Posted January 3, 2006 what do you mean by the last edited?? I went back to fix some spelling... It was a stupid offtopic observation on my part. Google 420 if you're still curious. Well yes i agree there but i think if Starfleet were to do this - they'd do it very secretly - and probably in an isolated section of space so if anything goes wrong people arn't hurt. Yes it would be paramount (no pun intended) to be able to conduct experiments/research without a high risk of detection. A pre-planned cover story for any resulting subspace disruptions would probably suffice, especially if it were during wartime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenebrae Posted January 3, 2006 Share Posted January 3, 2006 I think it's going to be pretty hard to cover-up the deliberate use of an omega particle detonation. It was pretty dubious they managed it the first time... Using it as a kamikazee weapon - maybe... I'd have thought the most logical usage would be to detonate it in a perimeter around your space. That way you aren't pointlessly destroying yourself, you're making sure it will take years for any warp-capable species to reach you. Which is pretty handy... But really I think that the Omega Particle is going to be low on the priority list. I mean, sure a nuke does a fair bit of collateral damage but that can be dealt with and so on. I mean, circumstances would need to be more than a little grim to justify permanent damage to subspace like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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