Sword Posted January 21, 2006 Share Posted January 21, 2006 I've been Watching Star Trek since the TOS series. But the one thing that I missed was how did the Borg originate. Does anyone know for sure. My friends say it was VIGERin the first movie. Any response would be good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
queenhank Posted January 21, 2006 Share Posted January 21, 2006 Nobody knows. It has never been explained. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S0V13T Posted January 21, 2006 Share Posted January 21, 2006 Any answer you get will be speculation, becuase as queenhank says, it's never been explained in any episode / movie. I think that the Borg originated from a race that was experamenting on insects, nanomachines, and some kind of superintellegent AI in the same lab when a disaster broke out, and merged all three elements into one of the scientests. Just my guess on how they started, and definatelly not canon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arktis Posted January 21, 2006 Share Posted January 21, 2006 Shatner actually wrote a book that talks about the origins of the Borg and what their purpose is, but I don't know if it's accepted as cannon or not. Probably not. Basicly, there was this huge sentient planet which was like a giant living computer (Spock actually discovers it's existance in the first Star Trek movie; it was what was responsible for modifying the Voyager space probe.) . It had been around for so long, that it had forgotten how it came to be, what it was, or if there was any other life like it. So it saw these little primitive humanoid life forms (Like we would see ants; far less intelligent and a very basic design compared to our own.) and adapted them to serve his purpose; to travel the galaxy in search of other life like the planet itself. This was the birth of the first Borg. Eventually, when the planet realized that there was nothing else like it in the galaxy, it decided to use the Borg to make life in the galaxy more like itself. In other words, if it didn't have any companionship, it was going to transform the galaxy in it's own image. And that was the start of the Borg's ruthless assimilation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
queenhank Posted January 21, 2006 Share Posted January 21, 2006 Cool origin, but yeah, not canon. Only episodes and movies are considered canon (except for the animated series, which is technically not canon, but many things from it have been brought into canon). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenebrae Posted January 21, 2006 Share Posted January 21, 2006 The Borg don't make sense... retconning V'ger into the equation would just make it even more preposterous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arktis Posted January 21, 2006 Share Posted January 21, 2006 Not really. It's all pretty much explained (and quite well) in the book. One of the things that suprised me was the accuracy of significant details to the plot; Shatner must have done a lot of research before he wrote it. If you want my opinion though, the writing itself is crap. Most of it is Kirk dressed like Khan running around beating up next Generation crew members in some boring Shatner ego-trip. The only thing of real value there is the stuff about the Borg, and that much was fairly well done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenebrae Posted January 21, 2006 Share Posted January 21, 2006 But it's not canon - so it could be contradicted any time... like canon. So what does Fatner say about the Borg? You say the big ol' planet wants to use the Borg... were they pre-existing or did it create them etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evil Enigma Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 Although not cannon I like this origin. Nanobot theory Though not in the formal continuity, a speculative story in the recent short story anthology Strange New Worlds VI offered a theory of their creation. It stated that the Borg came about on a world suffering from a devastating plague. One of the victims was the granddaughter of the planet's ruler, and she forced the scientists treating the plague to attempt a new treatment upon her. Nanotech was introduced into her body, which eliminated the virus and restored her. However, the nanotech was programmed not to make her as she had been before, but to make her perfect. Since she was naturally imperfect, they changed her body and brain, augmenting them with technology and creating the first Borg Queen. The scientists who changed her were put to death by her grandfather, who tried to kill her with gas. Her body adapted to this, removing the need to breathe and allowing her to introduce her nanobots into the wall of the room holding her, melting it, and allowing her to escape. While fighting her guards, she accidentally put the nanotech into one of them, thereby creating a link and changing him. In this way, the first Borg were born. After assimilating their homeworld, the Borg began to assimilate other planets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenebrae Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 I've seen that one before... personally I prefer it to V'ger machine planet nonsense. And of course we all know that the Borg are essentially just a copy of the Cybermen... It is a testament to Berman and Braga though that they could take the most kickass bad guys in the galaxy and make them so lame that a single starship could go head to head with them on a weekly basis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wazer Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 Tenebrae when did that happen? No starship went head to head with the borg on a weekly basis. Voyager was just one ship which the Borg didn't really care about most of the time besides if the Borg had no weaknesses and were so beligerent that that just attacked every they would be a boring enemy. The story would go - starship meets Borg, Borg assimilates or destroys starhip, end of story. Pretty Boring. I agree with Evil Enigma's story it would be something like that or even just one person ( a woman probably being the first Borg queen) modifies themself with nanobots to make themself perfect and over centuries morphs into what is now the Borg. The V'ger theory doesn't hold water with me since the stories have already hinted at the Borg being around a fairly long time. They were at least around in a fairly strong position by the 22nd century as seen on Enterprise as they sent a message back to the collective. I don't think that gives much time for primitive Borg to become powerful since we know where Voyager is now. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenebrae Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 Oh, come on Voyager were taking on cubes more often than not and walking away. Besides, it's a typical Trek thing to do "Oh no - we've made an enemy too powerful, give their ship an achilles heel module!" Besides you can't imagine the joy I'd have felt if the first Voyager encounter with the Borg had ended in destruction or assimilation :P Also - if you want to link V'ger to the Borg then you can reconcile the difference in time by saying that V'ger went through a wormhole, so it could have traveled back in time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
queenhank Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 Sure...or you could say that the Voyager probe hit a wormhole, sending it to the planet, and damaging it in the process. There is absolutely no evidence that the Borg existed prior to the Voyager probe meeting up with that planet, since the probe was sent out before First Contact, which is the earliest time we know of there being Borg. It is possible that those Borg were trying to send a message to a very new race of Borg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenebrae Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 Hmm... didn't that race of aliens with the subspace corridors that were in stasis refer to the Borg? Ah yes, the Vaadwaur - now I'm pretty certain, they reference experience with the Borg and they had been in stasis since the late 15th century. I'd say that is fairly solid evidence to put the Borg substantially before the launch of the Voyager probe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hilander72 Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 Roughly 49h....and Borg/V'ger theory is proven wrong. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antipodean Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 Also, V'ger was headed towards to Solar System - ie: It knew where Earth was. At that point, The Borg did not. If the V'ger-Sentient Computer Planet-Borg link expained the Borg, then the Borg would have had V'gers coordinates for planet earth. BUT the Borg didn't so... yeah theres another reason why that theory is just silly. Sure, William Shatner was well cast as Kirk but the man's an idiot - its a bloody good thing that "his" novel dealing with all this isn't cannon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbbb Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 Shatner actually wrote a book that talks about the origins of the Borg and what their purpose is, but I don't know if it's accepted as cannon or not. Probably not. Basicly, there was this huge sentient planet which was like a giant living computer (Spock actually discovers it's existance in the first Star Trek movie; it was what was responsible for modifying the Voyager space probe.) . It had been around for so long, that it had forgotten how it came to be, what it was, or if there was any other life like it. So it saw these little primitive humanoid life forms (Like we would see ants; far less intelligent and a very basic design compared to our own.) and adapted them to serve his purpose; to travel the galaxy in search of other life like the planet itself. This was the birth of the first Borg. Eventually, when the planet realized that there was nothing else like it in the galaxy, it decided to use the Borg to make life in the galaxy more like itself. In other words, if it didn't have any companionship, it was going to transform the galaxy in it's own image. And that was the start of the Borg's ruthless assimilation. Wow, I had forgotten about that novel. It's called "The Return" and was superbly written by William Shatner. I highly recommend buying it at your book store or going to the Library to read it. It's a perfect sequel to Generations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
queenhank Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 You see how all the answers lie in established canon now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antipodean Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 You see how all the answers lie in established canon now? You sound like a Vatican theologist mate! :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
queenhank Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 NO! They're on to me... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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