Tenebrae Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 Does this mean there are or could be Lutheran trek fans? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
queenhank Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 I am a Luthoran. A Lex Luthoran... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenebrae Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 Lex Luthor vs. Quark - there's a crossover I'd like to see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
queenhank Posted January 24, 2006 Share Posted January 24, 2006 Lex Luthor goes up against Superman, one of the most powerful beings in all the universe. Quark goes up against a shape-shifting security guard. I think Luthor wins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlvsi Posted January 24, 2006 Share Posted January 24, 2006 I am not as knowledgeable as some of you guys with regards to the finer details of Trek, but I do like the borg. Endless oportunities. I would like to see a film made on this particular subject. My views are these(only theory, not substantiated) 1) Since Data was always trying to become more human, what if Lor was the opposite and wanted humanoids to be more like him. He could have found a way to time travel (as it seems to be a Trek constant) and start his revenge in the delta quadrant past, using some kind of nanobot technology of course. 2) Maybe a humanoid trying to do the old genetically enhanced being experiment, went wrong (obviously using nanobots) We have had a few stories involving this sort of thing, Enterprise most recently. They all referred to biological enhancements why not technological? I also like nanobots! As I said only my personal theories(many more where they came from) :rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macnbc Posted January 24, 2006 Share Posted January 24, 2006 Actually, Gene Roddenberry even hinted at a connection between V'Ger and the Borg. In the Motion Picture, it said that the Voyager probe crash landed on a "machine world", and that the machines recognized that they were essentially kin, although the probe was much more simplistic. So they built the V'Ger craft to allow it to fulfill its programming. Roddenberry hinted that the "machine world" could have been the Borg home world, but he never stated it firmly. ALSO- there's no evidence that the Borg didn't know where Earth was, they merely didn't appear to care about Earth at that time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antipodean Posted January 24, 2006 Share Posted January 24, 2006 ALSO- there's no evidence that the Borg didn't know where Earth was' date=' they merely didn't appear to care about Earth at that time.[/quote'] Umm - you see that's an assumption that seems to run counter to the Borg mission to assimilate ALL sentient life. Also, in regards to your claim that Gene Roddenberry hinted that the "machine world" could have been the Borg home world, do you reckon you could put some some references or a quote etc? In any case, from what you say, he merely hinted that the borg could have come from the machine world - this hardly amounts to canon... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenebrae Posted January 24, 2006 Share Posted January 24, 2006 Surely the obvious point is that the Borg AREN'T machines - they're biomechanical. Furthermore, if they could build something as hilariously huge as V'Ger to send at Earth, why would their second wave be a single cube a 100th of the size? Also - since when dd the Borg do anything as gosh darned nice as imbue space junk with intelligence? Not very Borg like, they'd have likely melted down that inferior technology for slag. Additionally - if you want a MUCH more clear indication that Roddenbury was thinking Borg when he did V'Ger the novelisation has the phrase "resistance was futile of course" when the captain and android are joining with the probe. That is non-canon of course. Anyway, I think there are a slew of not so easily rationalised problems when it comes to linking V'Ger to the Borg - most of them amount to the fact that little if any of V'Gers action seem to indicate an interest in general assimilation. I'm sure queenhank could weasel something if inclined but it would be tenuous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
queenhank Posted January 24, 2006 Share Posted January 24, 2006 Borg mission to assimilate ALL sentient life. Their mission, although it wasn't really mentioned post-TNG, is not to assimilate all sentient life, but to attain perfection. They only assimilate technologies which are advanced beyond their own, and people who they believe have a biological distinctiveness they could use. Thus, their obsession with humans. I'm sure queenhank could weasel something if inclined but it would be tenuous. Tenebrae, I love you. Yeah, I probably could think up something for how the Borg could have been on that planet, but since nothing in enstablished canon points to it, I'm not really inclined to do so. Now, if that novelization quote were in the film? I think that would be some pretty good evidence. Or if we'd at some point seen an indication of the Borg's age as being only a few hundred years, it would be a bit more possible. But, as I see it, there's really no evidence for such a theory, although I do find it to be an interesting one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenebrae Posted January 25, 2006 Share Posted January 25, 2006 Trek continuity is kind of like economics. I can tell you tomorrow why the continuity I explained yesterday isn't true today. Hence, it's best to generally stick with calling an orange an orange until we discover it was actually a phase induction coil. Hence, it's just easier to assume that V'Ger and its machine planet were happy little elves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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