superman9595 Posted February 10, 2006 Share Posted February 10, 2006 My vote goes to Sheridan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yudd Posted February 10, 2006 Share Posted February 10, 2006 my vote to Sisko for getting the Romulans involved which turned the tide against the Dominion . The Dominion was a real enemy unlike the Shadows who had a Dues Ex Machina (telepaths), Also getting the Romulans involved left them weak once the war ended, preserving the Federation becasue if the federation even possibly won without the romulans, The Romulan Empire would have been a force to reckon with since all the Alpha Quadrant powers were severly weakened by the Dominion war Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mav Posted February 10, 2006 Share Posted February 10, 2006 It's not even a retively close match. Maybe if it was season 2 Sheridan before he fell in love with Delenn and became intrenched in the whole dead but not dead for another twenty years thing. I think he's a great thinker on his feet, and a good political diplomatic ambassador. Other than he's just an average officer. As for Sisko, I'd have said the exact same for the first 5 seasons. But by season 6, he evolved. He knew what it took to win wars, battles, save lives. Rules had to bent sometimes even broken. He knew what his ship could do and he used it well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superman9595 Posted February 10, 2006 Author Share Posted February 10, 2006 According to Sheridan's personnal file he is a good tatctical thinker . He can take an inferior definsive force and turn it into offensive force capable of taking on a better equipped enemy, he did it with the blackstar and he did it during the mars riot. The only reason the dominion lost the war was because of the prophets, if they didn't get involved during Sacrifice of angels then the dominion would of won the war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mav Posted February 10, 2006 Share Posted February 10, 2006 According to Sheridan's personnal file he is a good tatctical thinker . He can take an inferior definsive force and turn it into offensive force capable of taking on a better equipped enemy' date=' he did it with the blackstar and he did it during the mars riot. The only reason the dominion lost the war was because of the prophets, if they didn't get involved during Sacrifice of angels then the dominion would of won the war. [/quote'] Ok you got the Prophets on that one. But at the same time, if that Old One had not of given Sheridan his life back minus some time, he would not have been alive for the last season or so of battles, many of which I venture to guess would have been lost without him. Plus alot of the backstory subplot was setup by him (like Garibaldi on Mars). Either way both guys had, let's call it, divine intervention, on both their behalves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenebrae Posted February 10, 2006 Share Posted February 10, 2006 [DS9 and B5 SPOILERS] Sheridan was RUNNING the war - Sisko was important but he was just a cog, not the machine and of course, he had the Prophets on his side. Now you could compare Sisko having the Prophets disappear a Dominion fleet vs. Sheridan using the First Ones but let's see. For Sisko it was basically something that happened, totally unplanned and basically a nice little deus ex (one among many) that let him survive and win the day. Versus Sheridan who had planned on using the First Ones for months and did so as part of a greater plan and only as a last resort in the face of two ancient enemies MILLIONS of years more advanced, where he knew that his only way of winning was to force a dialogue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mav Posted February 11, 2006 Share Posted February 11, 2006 True, Sheridan had it all planned and set forth many months in advance. Sisko didn't. He had an uphill battle. Sure, Sheridan did as well, to a point. You got to hand it to Sisko, prior to the Prophets interviening in the Celestial Temple, he and the Federation took on a superior force, almost 2:1 odds aganist them...And it worked, they punched through those forces and made their way to reclaim DS9. Now obviously one ship making it through wasn't much of a "turning point" but the meer fact his tactics and those of his allies fighting along side him (Klingons and others) worked to a degree, that makes him a pretty damn good tactician in my book. It's basically a totally different look at how they did things. Sheridan set up some last measure counters if things needed them, Sisko used the only ship to get past the enemy as some kind of last-stand (which yes was one later with the Prophets help but at the time he did not know of that). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TFMF Posted February 11, 2006 Share Posted February 11, 2006 Sisko - i mean he did so well in the Dominion War.... OOO - votes are tied! :cyclops: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenebrae Posted February 11, 2006 Share Posted February 11, 2006 The types of wars they fought were to be honest, totally different. Sheridan fought against the immeasurably more advanced Vorlons and Shadows and then lead the resistance against Earth Alliance in a civil war. But given season 7's, Sisko basically had wormhole aliens watching his ass the whole time whereas Lorien buggered off about about a week :p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mav Posted February 11, 2006 Share Posted February 11, 2006 The types of wars they fought were to be honest, totally different. Sheridan fought against the immeasurably more advanced Vorlons and Shadows and then lead the resistance against Earth Alliance in a civil war. But given season 7's, Sisko basically had wormhole aliens watching his ass the whole time whereas Lorien buggered off about about a week :p Oh come on, and Sheridan didn't have help? What's his face Sinclair had to go back in time, impersonate/become a Minbari to influence their religion over the next 1000 years which led to all sorts of things as we know. In Trek time travel is taken, "seriously" at least to the point where no major changes are allowed if at all possible. One could argue changing the way a civialization evolves is a good tactic but others would say it's too easy to do ;o Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenebrae Posted February 11, 2006 Share Posted February 11, 2006 Hahaha - time travel in Star Trek serious, oh you make me laugh Mav :D B5 did it ONCE and that's not the same as having your parents who also happen to be immensely powerful beings living in a flat above the local wormhole watching out for you. Besides, if you're to argue like that - then Sisko's birth was also the result of that kind of stuff. The Prophets knew it was going to happen, so they made it happen. Those crazy Prophets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaqm0bile Posted February 12, 2006 Share Posted February 12, 2006 this may seem a tad out of place but i think michael eddington (even though not a captain) was an excellent leader of the maquis. he outsmarted sisko several times and even after he was captured and imprisoned he was still one step ahead of sisko, as you may see in 5x23 Blaze of Glory. He had less resources/information/power than sisko but he still outmaneuvered him and outsmarted him on several occasions. he was the only assignment that sisko was relieved of for not completing. of course he did get caught in the end, but losing to sisko once when youve already beaten him several times... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TFMF Posted February 12, 2006 Share Posted February 12, 2006 Yeah - Eddington was annoying - but he was a good tactition. However - this is off topic - perhaps a new topic should be created allowing us to discuss all of the characters and whether or not they were good tactitions... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCrichton Posted February 12, 2006 Share Posted February 12, 2006 Ok lets do this. Who's is the better tactician Janeway or Riker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCrichton Posted February 12, 2006 Share Posted February 12, 2006 Janeway all the way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
retribuo Posted February 12, 2006 Share Posted February 12, 2006 At this point, I feel compelled to point out that: Tactics = Winning the Battle Strategy = Winning the War Although I'm not very familiar with Sheridan, I'd have to say that it seems as if Sheridan was the better strategist, while Sisko was the better tactician. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TFMF Posted February 12, 2006 Share Posted February 12, 2006 To keep this from going offtopic - post here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlvsi Posted February 13, 2006 Share Posted February 13, 2006 My vote went to Sheridan, his ship couldn`t cloak and he still won.lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mav Posted February 13, 2006 Share Posted February 13, 2006 My vote went to Sheridan, his ship couldn`t cloak and he still won.lol Yea but if you recall, his "ship" wasn't even his. He had to obtain a biomechonoid vessel from the Minbari, which was based off of partial Vorlon technology....Whereas the Defiant was a Federation ship (yea with a borrowed cloaking device but hey, the war wasn't won by playing it fair). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magestorm Posted February 13, 2006 Share Posted February 13, 2006 Sheridan gets my vote. He took several sqabbling alien races, some at war with one another, and turned them into an effective fighting force. He planned things months ahead of time to ensure that they had things delt with. Mind you also, he had to run the station without the supply runs that kept it going before they broke away from Earth. Also, while he did have Lorien watching, I don't think he did much more than advise him on a few things, and bring him back from the dead. The prophets sat there and did a ton for Sisko. Add into it the distaste I have for DS9, and you see why I voted how I did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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