hubix Posted February 3, 2005 Share Posted February 3, 2005 No! Why!? I'm oddicted to Star Trek... :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VonHelton Posted February 3, 2005 Share Posted February 3, 2005 I know this is going against the general views on here but here goes and sorry if I upset anyone....... No one is decieved here......We all went in with eyes wide open. .....We knew it was a prequil to TOS. Unfortunately, Berman & Braga had a momentary lapse of reason (to quote Pink Floyd), and thought the show was Star Trek: Titan. Finally, on the 4th season, cooler heads prevailed, and Manny took over & brought us back to where we needed to be. .......That doesn't mean you cancel the show. If anything, it means you give Manny a chance to make things right. Having said that, constricting the show to UPN only, where a huge swath of ST Fans couldn't watch, also contributed to the show's demise. ......I personally thought Manny did a good job of killing all the Quantum Leap stuff, myself. I guess Paramount took a chance that thousands of ST Fans would run out & pay big bucks just to get the UPN Channel........They were wrong. I'm not gonna sign up for a very expensive sattelite system to watch one channel that only has one show I like. .......That's insanity by anyone's measure. :stare: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psheldrake1 Posted February 3, 2005 Share Posted February 3, 2005 Start summiting story lines to the network and make sure there good. The only thing they can do is throw them away. If they get good ones, who knows, they may make it into the show. Being Trek fans, we know more about the show than most writers ever will. We as Trek fans should boldly go where no one has tried before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VonHelton Posted February 3, 2005 Share Posted February 3, 2005 Start summiting story lines to the network and make sure there good. The only thing they can do is throw them away. If they get good ones, who knows, they may make it into the show. Being Trek fans, we know more about the show than most writers ever will. We as Trek fans should boldly go where no one has tried before. BAD IDEA....... They'll take it, claim it as their own, make millions off of it & you won't get squat. :stare: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dabrood Posted February 3, 2005 Share Posted February 3, 2005 Being Trek fans' date=' we know more about the show than most writers ever will. [/quote'] Exactly. Star Trek is dying because of it's own fan culture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daffydk Posted February 3, 2005 Share Posted February 3, 2005 [ um, under american law, a corperation is considered an individual, therefore, it is with all rights and priveledges.....an american :) a corporation can not vote! and thats the context of what we were talking about. If that was the case everyone would be making a new corporation and going out there and voting once for themselves and then using the corporation. so whatver you were thinking of when you tried to make it into an individual.. obvioulsy it is irrelevent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daffydk Posted February 3, 2005 Share Posted February 3, 2005 Being Trek fans' date=' we know more about the show than most writers ever will. [/quote'] Exactly. Star Trek is dying because of it's own fan culture. ON the contrary, Star Trek is not dying. I think many people here are equating the canceling of Enterprise with canceling the whole Star Trek franchise. If you read the Reuter's fulll article about the cancelling, Paramount hinted at making a different, new series. What, when and how.. no one knows right now. It would have been nice to have enterprise going to 7 seasons but just ran out of steam. But I know that paramount would be a fool to just sit on the star trek franchise and not produce another series. They very well know that if they make another series and advertise it right.. they can get all the TNG fans + more on the opening night. And if they make something really good, they can retain those fans + get more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VonHelton Posted February 3, 2005 Share Posted February 3, 2005 ON the contrary' date=' Star Trek is not dying. I think many people here are equating the canceling of Enterprise with canceling the whole Star Trek franchise.[/quote'] Yep, I certainly am.......For the cost of Enterprise, they can make 5 reality type shows, or 3 documentary type shows, or 2 dramas. .......You cannot believe what Paramount says. If you think you can, try talking to the thousands of people who had their websites shut down. :stare: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daffydk Posted February 3, 2005 Share Posted February 3, 2005 Yep, I certainly am.......For the cost of Enterprise, they can make 5 reality type shows, or 3 documentary type shows, or 2 dramas. .......You cannot believe what Paramount says. If you think you can, try talking to the thousands of people who had their websites shut down. :stare: UPN can air 10 documentaries and all of them combined wouldnt be able to reach 2 million viewers, let alone 12 million. Friends which was one of the most popular shows averaged about 18 million and that was aired on a more widley available network at the best time slot. And friends had a more general audience.. Star Trek has a very specific mostly male audience and thats appealing to advertisers and worth more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VonHelton Posted February 3, 2005 Share Posted February 3, 2005 UPN can air 10 documentaries and all of them combined wouldnt be able to reach 2 million viewers' date=' let alone 12 million.[/quote'] Right......... :rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveyGravy Posted February 4, 2005 Share Posted February 4, 2005 I guess that the perfectly legitimate and justifiable downloading of Star Trek eps, rather than the old fashioned watching them on TV is partly what doomed Enterprise.  That and Russell Watson, God, somebody shoot that guy!! LOL Shame, cause after all that faffing around in Xindi la la land, it finally started getting really good.  I will miss it, and Trek (which I don't see surviving in these sad days of low budget TV).  Trek once stood for high production values and a benchmark for Sci-Fi, but I don't think that new management at Paramount is really interested in those old fashioned values - too many accountants in too high positions!! If only they could count up the viewing figures of all those DIVXers out there then they would see there is a huge following.  We just don't all have UPN!! All these bean counters care about is one off figures, no interest in possible syndication figures. I know people in the UK who bought Sky solely for the privilege of watching Trek, myself included!! Remember that TOS thrived in syndication. But alas I fear that Star Trek's time has come. Waaaaaaaah! Star Trek RIP you will be sorely missed! :thinking: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killbenau Posted February 4, 2005 Share Posted February 4, 2005 UPN and Paramount are typical idiot americans that vote for bush. They have to do everything big!!!!! Excuse me.. UPN and paramount are not americans.. they are corporations. They determined that Enterprise was not making them money but at the same time cost too much to make. It is a business decesion. For them to have gone into another season of of Enterprise with numbers going down was risky. Sometimes its better to pull the plug and start with a new series. They already hinted that they will come out with something new. As far as the bush comment. Thats irresponsible and childish. I dont agree with alot of Bush's policies. I dont even think he is as good of a leader as some other ones we have had in the past. But I dont think that makes people who voted for him 'idiots'. Take it easy. Ni, it does not make them idiots, it makes them ill informed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBorg Posted February 4, 2005 Share Posted February 4, 2005 What about the selling of it later... a minimum of 30 tv companies will buy it in next 2 years... The WHOLE Star Trek franchise? I really doubt it. Paramount would state the price so large that would make "Sky is the limit" saying look so small. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkage Posted February 4, 2005 Share Posted February 4, 2005 lets call them and say we prepped a bomb in their basement and it wil go off if enterprise is canceld for good LOL no now seriosly it reala started to get good on us and they cancel it that is just Fed up and there wil prolly be no way we can change their mind up about it the guy at paramount and upn are just boses and they dont know what they do to us meeeeeee i cant live with out startrek noooooooooooo i am melting oh sorry wrong story wel i am off to get my happy pils c ya PS maybe in the future when you are able to pick what you wanna c on television there wil b a comeback Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VonHelton Posted February 4, 2005 Share Posted February 4, 2005 I guess that the perfectly legitimate and justifiable downloading of Star Trek eps' date=' rather than the old fashioned watching them on TV is partly what doomed Enterprise.  That and Russell Watson, God, somebody shoot that guy!! LOL[/quote'] We had zero to do with it. :stare: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daffydk Posted February 4, 2005 Share Posted February 4, 2005 I guess that the perfectly legitimate and justifiable downloading of Star Trek eps' date=' rather than the old fashioned watching them on TV is partly what doomed Enterprise. That and Russell Watson, God, somebody shoot that guy!! LOL[/quote'] We had zero to do with it. :stare: I for one dont have access to UPN so I had very little to do with watching it on tv. And second, those who do have UPN probably stil watched it first on upn and then downloaded it. AT least thats what I would have done. Not because to help upn but because I wanted to see it uninterrupted first hand on tv. It just takes too long to wait for it. Downloads screws up re-runs a little because if it is available on the net and you can get it, why wait for the re-run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daffydk Posted February 4, 2005 Share Posted February 4, 2005 Ni, it does not make them idiots, it makes them ill informed. I doubt it. But I am sure you can find ill-informed people on both side... some who voted one way and some the other way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xtremeskiing Posted February 4, 2005 Share Posted February 4, 2005 UPN and Paramount are typical idiot americans that vote for bush. They have to do everything big!!!!! Excuse me.. UPN and paramount are not americans.. they are corporations. They determined that Enterprise was not making them money but at the same time cost too much to make. It is a business decesion. For them to have gone into another season of of Enterprise with numbers going down was risky. Sometimes its better to pull the plug and start with a new series. They already hinted that they will come out with something new. As far as the bush comment. Thats irresponsible and childish. I dont agree with alot of Bush's policies. I dont even think he is as good of a leader as some other ones we have had in the past. But I dont think that makes people who voted for him 'idiots'. Take it easy. um, under american law, a corperation is considered an individual, therefore, it is with all rights and priveledges.....an american well, here we go again, the stock holders vote, thereby representing the "individual", a corperation maintains all rights outlined in the constitution. If I need to start citing supreme court rulings I will. But I would prefere if you take my word and not make me go look up specifics....ive had enough immersion with the law right now as I represent myself against my scum bag landlord, i dont need to research corperate cases and real property cases at the same time, just take my word daffy and we can argue this in more depth once my current legal issue is over, ill enjoy it. on that note, if I do defeat my landlord in court and win the right to terminate my lease (and I will because there is no defence against NYS MRL S174 invoking NYS RPL S235-B in this case), you may not be graced with my divine presence while I have to wait for cable to be installed in my new house, and that could take a month....lucky for me I have 3 seasons of unwatched episodes right now. I know that was off topic, but it just kinda flowed into it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted February 4, 2005 Share Posted February 4, 2005 seven is the best star trek babe ever! Of course!!! She is the babe! with Star trek having mostly male audience, they should have thought about putting someone like Seven in this series. I think they tried (Jolene Blalock) but Vulkans are not sexy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted February 4, 2005 Share Posted February 4, 2005 Do you think a "save Enterprise action" will help? Think of the Farscape action, did not help them wery much, despite all the hard work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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