Tenebrae Posted February 18, 2006 Share Posted February 18, 2006 Yeah, I think he'd have been a Romulan probably. If only because there wasn't an original idea in B&B by that point. MAYBE IT COULD HAVE BEEN TASHA YAR! I can actually see them having done that. "Oh, temporal distortions made her sound like a man." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steveo Posted February 18, 2006 Share Posted February 18, 2006 I think the osscilation of the backup chicken matrix field generator caused that, actually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sly12 Posted February 18, 2006 Share Posted February 18, 2006 Well here's my thoughts... yeh sure there's alot of holes in it but hey. I personally thought the "future guy" was human... sure romulans would make for an interesting story... and sure destroying earth could of changed the time line in any number of ways... but i think maybe future guy was a human from earth, hence no longer being there because he wiped out his own exsitence at the end of season 1. technically we never saw if he was working against the federation... example: First episodes we find out that they're trying to start a war in the klingon empire which funnily enough were enermies of the federation at one point, perhaps a group like section 31 was wiping out previous threats to improve the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashfox Posted February 18, 2006 Share Posted February 18, 2006 Well here's my thoughts... yeh sure there's alot of holes in it but hey. I personally thought the "future guy" was human... sure romulans would make for an interesting story... and sure destroying earth could of changed the time line in any number of ways... but i think maybe future guy was a human from earth, hence no longer being there because he wiped out his own exsitence at the end of season 1. technically we never saw if he was working against the federation... example: First episodes we find out that they're trying to start a war in the klingon empire which funnily enough were enermies of the federation at one point, perhaps a group like section 31 was wiping out previous threats to improve the future. interesting idea! - It makes sence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tankboy Posted February 18, 2006 Share Posted February 18, 2006 season 1 was o.k, 2 poor, 3 it all went B5/Crusade with the saving earth long arc, 4 was o.k. and the last one........ made me cry with anger !. I thought some eps were very good and some just so poor....... poor cast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exterus Posted February 18, 2006 Share Posted February 18, 2006 Such great talent too. Bakula was one of the best actors out there and they let him go. All the main cast had superb acting talent' date=' completely given the middle finger. ARGHDAFADFAFDGVVEEAAAAAAHHHGGHHH!!![/quote'] Hahaha. Scott Bakula? Best actors out there? Hahaha. There is a reason he has been confined to tv-movies and hallmark features for the most part of his career you know. And it's not because of his tremendous "acting" talent. :rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenebrae Posted February 19, 2006 Share Posted February 19, 2006 Yeah, Bakula's acting for ENT was to be honest, like Mulgrew's voice. Annoying, grating and it always felt forced. BAZING. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
queenhank Posted February 19, 2006 Share Posted February 19, 2006 See, now you're just plain wrong. Scott Bakula has so much talent, Chuck Norris had to cancel Enterprise, just so people wouldn't realize the awesome threat his talent presents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnifex Posted February 19, 2006 Author Share Posted February 19, 2006 Hahaha. Scott Bakula? Best actors out there? Hahaha. There is a reason he has been confined to tv-movies and hallmark features for the most part of his career you know. And it's not because of his tremendous "acting" talent. :rolleyes: I wonder sometimes if the writers of certain posts actually know what they are posting about, or that they just think something and type it out... have you seen ANY QL at all? YES, Scott Bakula has talent, an abundance of it.. can you sing Volare or play the piano or put in an acting performance that people would actually sit though.. OK ENT may not be the best example of his range but come on look at the scripts, he was hobbled from ep 1. And as for using the 'TV' angle as justification of his lack of talent, look who they DO have acting in movie.. that area is purely run for the pop culture now and is definately not an example of 'the best makes it'! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vyperion Posted February 19, 2006 Share Posted February 19, 2006 That was a very complex explanation of something seemingly very simple. I like you!Thank you, I like you too ;) 1. Multiple races have cloaking tech and given the fact he is from... when 26th or something. A humanoid race sending cloaking tech to the past by then - means nothing.I based that on the season 2 episode 'Minefield' by the fact they could pick up the Romulan mines (with the 'Suliban' cloaking detector) but not the ship and as the Romulan ship avoided the mines I'm assuming they can see them too (and by default any Suliban ship). It's also based on the assumption that even if you decided to change the past by giving a 'pawn' species advanced tech to defeat an enemy for you, you wouldn't want to give them enough tech to destroy your own people. And we've also seen that the Romulans and Klingons eventually hate each other so why not kill two birds with one stone? Get the Klingons to attack the Humans and you take care of two enemies at once (if you're a Romulan) 2. What evidence is there that the Romulan War - specifically the one that you envisage destroyed Earth? Beyond the fact that the Earth knew of the Romulan Star Empire - none.In TOS they mention a war between Romulus and Earth that established the Romulan Neutral Zone just before the founding of the Federation. It was the one where Mark Lenard played a Romulan Commander. So history recorded the Romulans, Earth was decimated and there was no Federation when Daniels and Archer were trapped in the future. Of course in TOS they said the war was fought with Nuclear weaponary. To expand on it a little more we know that in the 24th Century the re-unification of Romulan and Vulcan society is still prevalent although the Vulcans are working more fervenantly towards this goal (unlike the 22nd when it seems more Romulan oriented). So perhaps seeing his people weakened by Vulcan re-integration he decided to remove the Federation before it could help with that process. I think they should've hired me for this. I don't feel season 4 was a disaster - the augments and mirror universe were greatI suppose not. The Mirrorverse two-parter did kick ass. We saw a Constitution class ship really let lose in a way that wasn't feasible in the original show. That was the best part. It was more like Season 3 was a gigantic burp, Season 4 a bad case of hiccups :D To be fair season 4 was a brave attempt at telling the Star Trek story in a different way to the usual self-contained episode norm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exterus Posted February 19, 2006 Share Posted February 19, 2006 I wonder sometimes if the writers of certain posts actually know what they are posting about, or that they just think something and type it out... have you seen ANY QL at all? YES, Scott Bakula has talent, an abundance of it.. can you sing Volare or play the piano or put in an acting performance that people would actually sit though.. OK ENT may not be the best example of his range but come on look at the scripts, he was hobbled from ep 1. And as for using the 'TV' angle as justification of his lack of talent, look who they DO have acting in movie.. that area is purely run for the pop culture now and is definately not an example of 'the best makes it'! I agree that not only "the best" makes it in todays culture. But Scott Bakula isn't a "tremendous actor". I can agree on that there are worse actors out there, but he is not anywhere near being one of the greats out there today. When compared to actors like George C. Scott, Paul Giamatti, Al Pacino, Kathy Bates, Kim Bodnia, Sean Penn or such artists, he pales in comparison. Even faced with fellow Star Trek actors like Patrick Stewart, Jeffrey Combs, Robert Picardo, Brent Spiner or Rene Auberjonois he still pales in comparison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnifex Posted February 20, 2006 Author Share Posted February 20, 2006 I wonder sometimes if the writers of certain posts actually know what they are posting about, or that they just think something and type it out... have you seen ANY QL at all? YES, Scott Bakula has talent, an abundance of it.. can you sing Volare or play the piano or put in an acting performance that people would actually sit though.. OK ENT may not be the best example of his range but come on look at the scripts, he was hobbled from ep 1. And as for using the 'TV' angle as justification of his lack of talent, look who they DO have acting in movie.. that area is purely run for the pop culture now and is definately not an example of 'the best makes it'! I agree that not only "the best" makes it in todays culture. But Scott Bakula isn't a "tremendous actor". I can agree on that there are worse actors out there, but he is not anywhere near being one of the greats out there today. When compared to actors like George C. Scott, Paul Giamatti, Al Pacino, Kathy Bates, Kim Bodnia, Sean Penn or such artists, he pales in comparison. Even faced with fellow Star Trek actors like Patrick Stewart, Jeffrey Combs, Robert Picardo, Brent Spiner or Rene Auberjonois he still pales in comparison. Never heard of Paul Giamatti or Kim Bodnia and I can't help think that if they had been 'greats'(especially as you rate them along with Al Pacino and George C. Scott (who I thoroughly agree with you are greats)) that I would at least be aware of their existance, lol. Yep, Patrick Stewart is a very good actor and so is Jeffrey Coombs (one of my all time favs.. the 'Re-Animator' series is superb characterization.). However despite having seen them in other things I'd consider Robert Picardo, Brent Spiner and Rene Auberjonois lightweights with Auberjonois as the more talented of the three. I agree that Bakula isn't 'tremendously' talented (although I do think that he can turn his hand to a better performance than most of his contempories in or out of the cinema and I don't think that any of the above are tremendous 'actors' except the first two) but he is certainly a very very talented man and has been able to show it outside of the sci fi field also.. I think also that his talent extends to making good on very bad scripts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exterus Posted February 20, 2006 Share Posted February 20, 2006 Never heard of Paul Giamatti or Kim Bodnia and I can't help think that if they had been 'greats'(especially as you rate them along with Al Pacino and George C. Scott (who I thoroughly agree with you are greats)) that I would at least be aware of their existance, lol. Yep, Patrick Stewart is a very good actor and so is Jeffrey Coombs (one of my all time favs.. the 'Re-Animator' series is superb characterization.). However despite having seen them in other things I'd consider Robert Picardo, Brent Spiner and Rene Auberjonois lightweights with Auberjonois as the more talented of the three. I agree that Bakula isn't 'tremendously' talented (although I do think that he can turn his hand to a better performance than most of his contempories in or out of the cinema and I don't think that any of the above are tremendous 'actors' except the first two) but he is certainly a very very talented man and has been able to show it outside of the sci fi field also.. I think also that his talent extends to making good on very bad scripts. If you don't know who Paul Giamatti (!) or Kim Bodnia (true, he isn't american, but you know...there are actors outside america too) is, you probably shouldn't berate other people for don't knowing what they're talking about when it comes to actors/acting. Robert Picardo is an award winning theatre actor. Brent Spiner is also, in addition to his tv- and movie appearances) a respected veteran in theatre circles (in Broadway among other things). So calling them "lightweights" in comparion to Scott Bakula is a little odd, to say the least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnifex Posted February 20, 2006 Author Share Posted February 20, 2006 Never heard of Paul Giamatti or Kim Bodnia and I can't help think that if they had been 'greats'(especially as you rate them along with Al Pacino and George C. Scott (who I thoroughly agree with you are greats)) that I would at least be aware of their existance, lol. Yep, Patrick Stewart is a very good actor and so is Jeffrey Coombs (one of my all time favs.. the 'Re-Animator' series is superb characterization.). However despite having seen them in other things I'd consider Robert Picardo, Brent Spiner and Rene Auberjonois lightweights with Auberjonois as the more talented of the three. I agree that Bakula isn't 'tremendously' talented (although I do think that he can turn his hand to a better performance than most of his contempories in or out of the cinema and I don't think that any of the above are tremendous 'actors' except the first two) but he is certainly a very very talented man and has been able to show it outside of the sci fi field also.. I think also that his talent extends to making good on very bad scripts. If you don't know who Paul Giamatti (!) or Kim Bodnia (true, he isn't american, but you know...there are actors outside america too) is, you probably shouldn't berate other people for don't knowing what they're talking about when it comes to actors/acting. Robert Picardo is an award winning theatre actor. Brent Spiner is also, in addition to his tv- and movie appearances) a respected veteran in theatre circles (in Broadway among other things). So calling them "lightweights" in comparion to Scott Bakula is a little odd, to say the least. Lol. how dare you call me American. :p. And if I haven't heard of them it means that they haven't done anything to bring them to my attention (workwise not personally). And as for awards.. they don't mean sh*t.. if a ten (?) year old girl can get an oscar for best actress beating the likes of Meryl Streep then I find it difficult to put any weight behind them. (and other awards systems have made equally questionable choices). Bakula is as I understand it aslo well considered in the theatre areana, but the difference between him and the others you have mentioned (Picardo and Spiner) he has been able to transfer that talent to the small screen, I just cannot say that for Picardo and Spiner. Just done a check on your choices Giamatti and Bodina.... Giamatti, I do recognize his face, but I would definately say that nothing I've seen him in would take him out of the realms of bit part actor (alot of work to his merits.. however can you see ONE starring role apart from Saturday Night Live?) and nothing that would propel him to supposed greatness. As for Bodina has he ever done anything in English? As far as I can make out his work has been strictly (Danish?) in origin and I make it a rule to be able to understand what someone is saying before rating them as an actor. (edited for typoz) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exterus Posted February 20, 2006 Share Posted February 20, 2006 Lol. how dare you call me American. :p. And if I haven't heard of them it means that they haven't done anything to bring them to my attention (workwise not personally). And as for awards.. they don't mean sh*t.. if a ten (?) year old girl can get an oscar for best actress beating the likes of Meryl Streep then I find it difficult to put any weight behind them. (and other awards systems have made equally questionable choices). Bakula is as I understand it aslo well considered in the theatre areana, but the difference between him and the others you have mentioned (Picardo and Spiner) he has been able to transfer that talent to the small screen, I just cannot say that for Picardo and Spiner. Just done a check on your choices Giamatti and Bodina.... Giamatti, I do recognize his face, but I would Definately that nothing I've sen him in would take him out of the realms of bit part actor (alot of work to his merits.. however can you see ONE starring role apart from satarday night live?) and nothing that would propel him to supposed greatness. As for Bodina has he ever done anything in English? As far as I can make out his work has been strictly (Danish?) in origin and I make it a rule to be able to understand what someone is saying before rating them as an actor. The award Picardo won was a Drama-Louge award, which is awarded by other actors, directors and such. If you claim that an actor being awarded for his work by his artistic peers isn't worth anything...then...well, I can't even find the words to reply. Giamatti starred in Sideways among others. And what does starring roles have to do with anything, anyway? That has no impact on how good the actor is. Steve Buscemi is one of americans finest actors, and he CHOOSES to do supporting roles. Kim Bodnia has only made danish movies yes, but several of his movies are availible with subtitles. Oh, unless you are one of those people who condemns every movie where the original language isn't english? If you are, we have nothing more to talk about, since your opinion is obviously not relevant in any way. Let's end this discussion, shall we? I don't feel like discussing this particular subject with you any longer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mav Posted February 20, 2006 Share Posted February 20, 2006 I don't understand how people liked Season 3.. Let's not forget the ending of season 3? Archer wakes up to find himself amongst Remans, who are not Remans......Some other alien race, who conviently looks exactly like Remans down to the last detail, but they are not related to them or Romulans, in any way whatsoever.... yea genius writing on season 3.. ;\ I loved season 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
queenhank Posted February 20, 2006 Share Posted February 20, 2006 Giamatti starred in Sideways among others. And what does starring roles have to do with anything, anyway? That has no impact on how good the actor is. Steve Buscemi is one of americans finest actors, and he CHOOSES to do supporting roles. Indeed. Having starring roles is not the mark of a great actor. Paul Giamatti is one of the finest character actors of our time, right along with Steve Buscemi. If you have any doubts about Scott Bakula's acting ability, look at Quantum Leap. You may not like the show (why, I could not possibly fathom, but stil...), but just the fact that he is able to overcome the challenges presented by the complexity of the show's basic premise - Sam Beckett, a super-genius scientist from the future who has massive memory loss, having to adapt to the personae of different people on a moment's notice - shows how good an actor he is. He made it believeable. Like Tim Allen in Galaxy Quest, or Christopher Reeve in Superman, Scott Bakula has the rare talent for bringing out the reality of a piece, no matter how absurd it is. I would put him on par with such great actors as Leonard Nimoy, John De Lancie, or DeForest Kelley (to use Star Trek examples). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ressurrector Posted February 24, 2006 Share Posted February 24, 2006 Don't have a clue who the time meddler was but did always find it rather interesting that archer looked exactly like him when he stood in the time portal. And I thought that thing could only send messages. WTF? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sumiczek Posted February 25, 2006 Share Posted February 25, 2006 Last episode just made me speachless after Trip died. They want me to believe that 4 seasons of waiting for him to finally get for good with T'Pol he dies ? Now which braniac thought of that solution ? grrrrr still can't believe it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mav Posted February 25, 2006 Share Posted February 25, 2006 Last episode just made me speachless after Trip died. They want me to believe that 4 seasons of waiting for him to finally get for good with T'Pol he dies ? Now which braniac thought of that solution ? grrrrr still can't believe it Well that episode was written by Brannon Braga, Rick Berman, and Brent Spiner...I somehow doubt Spiner was the idea man behind that portion, considering how the show had it's low points all when B&B were heading it. Notice how the good portions of season 4 had Manny Coto at the helm but the last episode, which was one of the worst including Trips death, Coto had nothing to do with it? Yea that ain't no coincedence ;\ Chaulk Trip's death up to B&B's infamous bad writing...again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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