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i was just wondering if people more in the know know whats happening. will anything new ever be produced under "star trek" i mean besides games and things. After Enterprise came to an abrupt end it just seems its fallen off the face of the earth. could they actually go anywhere with a new story at all?

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As I understand it, there is currently no new Star Tek series or movie in development.

 

That said, I'm sure it's not over. I daresay there will be a bit of a break, but that there will be another movie/series in a few years. When Trek is done right, its a money printing machine for Paramount. So I'm sure it will come back in some form.

 

(my opinion, your milage may vary)

 

i was just wondering if people more in the know know whats happening. will anything new ever be produced under "star trek" i mean besides games and things. After Enterprise came to an abrupt end it just seems its fallen off the face of the earth. could they actually go anywhere with a new story at all?
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There supposedly is an 11th movie in the works, though I still think it's in the pre-script pre-screen play stages. They've tossed around ideas from a movie before Kirk, post Archer, a movie about Starfleet Academy and even a movie involving most of the Captains o_O but I doubt they've settled on one, if ever.

 

As for a show, it will never "die". I think Enterprise taught them a good lesson. The low ratings clearly showed the majority of fans didn't care for the show. Maybe they'll give it some breathing time and come back with some new stuff, some original stuff.

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Maybe they'll give it some breathing time and come back with some new stuff' date=' some original stuff. [/quote']

And that is, in my perspective, the key. I love DS9, but I think that's because it's the first Star Trek series that I started with. My next was Voyager. It was good, but not as good if it had been my first. Many of the episodes had the same plot. After the umpteenth temporal distortion, it gets a little boring.

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I think Enterprise wasn't the lesson in itself.

 

I've seen the ratings for Trek and while there is some small rallying the overwhelming trend post-TNG was year on year ratings falls, particularly VOY and ENT. For me that was a bit

 

TV execs beware, you can only run a franchise into the ground for a decade before the fans punish you badly enough that you'll get cancelled!

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As for a show' date=' it will never "die". I think Enterprise taught them a good lesson. The low ratings clearly showed the majority of fans didn't care for the show. Maybe they'll give it some breathing time and come back with some new stuff, some original stuff. [/quote']

 

I think that's the whole problem: trying to come up with new or original stuff within the context of "Star Trek". Their idea is this: we must stay within the Star Trek universe to retain Star Trek fans. Different races that are really just recombinations of different human attributes. Recombinations of different situations. They've concentrated on keeping fans instead of creating a good show.

 

Watching DS9, Voyager, or Enterprise is like watching TNG over again in a different order with different actors (more or less). For me, I'm fine with that because I'm a Star Trek fan. But for most, it's not enough.

 

With Enterprise they changed some things that they didn't change with DS9 or Voyager. They changed the overall dynamic and feeling, and they changed the goal of the crew. But the races, the ships, and the universe stayed the same. They were on the right track with Enterprise, realizing that rehashing TNG again wouldn't fly.

 

To create a successful Star Trek series they do need something new and something fresh: but aiming for that while restricting yourself to the Star Trek conventions is setting yourself up for failure. They need to create a winning show that resonates with people, not a show that resonates with TNG.

 

Originally TNG was the perfect setting to explore multiple topics and questions about sentience, existance, time, life and death, race, planets, and the future. What is needed now is to explore other topics such as interpersonal relationships, personal growth, or actual theories about our reality. May Star Trek episodes involve these topics, but I believe a successful Star Trek movie or series will focus on these topics and let the Sci-Fi fall into place around it - not vis-versa. But that's just what I'd enjoy.

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Pre Federation? Enterprise was pre federation right?

 

I don't really know, but i think they need to continue where the last movie left... With all the conflicts, consequenses and stuff of the other series in it... Cause i think people like to see, familiar faces, subjects and storylines... If you look at the other series, actually no subjects really meet in each other... (in other series i mean)

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A film that perhaps includes the returned crew of Voyager a bit more. ;)

 

But I also think the story should continue and not enlight what has already happened. Correct me if I'm wrong, but afaik a new captain for the enterprise must be found and datas prototype needs to be upgraded to a suitable level, right?

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a pre-federation Star trek series would be great ... or at least a movie ...

except TNG and ENT i haven't seen any other series ... so i don't know much about the other series, when do they take place ...

As i've heard, probably the one with cpt kirk is the next (as timeline) after ENT ... but when does it take place(year or century)?

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It's not a matter of something "new". Sure, most of us want something original as I and others have said but honestly, I'll take poorly written Star Trek over no Star Trek at all. That was the only reason I watched Enteprise and most of Voyager. Both had their weak points, and their strong points but it was still Star Trek in one form or another.

 

The core of Trek is fine. That core being from a Starfleet view point, typically a crew on a ship or station. What needs to change is the purpose. We've done exploration three times. Once was merely on a long, long journey home. We've done the stories & arcs of "gods" and war (DS9).

 

All they need is to take the typical formula, which is a Starfleet crew, and stick them in something unusual. Not Voyager again but something different. We can't expect another big ass war. It'd be cool, but no. And as much as we'd love say, a series devoted to the struggle with things like the Borg, or the Q, we all know in the end we'd be tired of that within a season (too much of a good thing can be bad).

 

Here's what they do, and this is just the first idea to pop off the top of my head (its loosely based on stuff like 24 or Lost);

 

A series set roughly 5 or so years after the events of Voyager/Nemesis. The Enterprise E is off doing their thing, Data is "dead", Voyager has been home a while and Janeway has been an Admiral for a while. The Doctor is still around and about yadda yaddda yadda just some backstory to show the Trek universe is still going. Anyways, you could start the series on Earth. Terra Firma. No big ships (at first) no wormholes etc The Alpha Quadrant is finally starting to come back to normality after being rebuilt from the Dominion War and everything else. Over time Starfleet notices strange things happening. Disappearances, odd behavior. Not just on Earth but other cultures and planets. They soon realize even themselves in Starlfeet and the Academy have been subject to this as well.

 

And thats it. Take that and run with it. Spin it into anything. A new race pulling a puppet master thing (again..) or maybe a key to a 5th quadrant of known space. Maybe the discovery of speeds past Warp 9.9~ (debates aside). But it's easy to do, they just need someone other than Berman and Braga. Berman used to come up with brilliant stuff back in the day, him and Ronald Moore, man they had some real great stuff. Thats why you see Moore working on BSG, and Berman is currently doing jack and or..well you know the rest of that phrase ;o

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I surely hope Star-Trek never dies, because I grew up with this serie and I think this is surely better than those stupid agresief japanese cartoons children watches these days. :stare:

 

So lets hope that their will be a serie or a movie real soon. I truley hope that their will be a serie one day about a ship thats not bound to the federation but a independent one, that would show the Federation in a whole new daylight. That seems like fun .

 

 

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Well Patrick Stewart is has offically stated that he belives he is too old to do another Trek movie and is not interested. Enterprise was pre-federation. It was only a couple hundred years after First COntact.

 

Deep Space Nine and Voyager were constanlty thrashing similar plot line from previous seasons and TNG. The problem with Trek, keeping it as Trek, they run out of idea's and have to find some way to do the old thing again. I mean how many times can you do a time travel story into Earth's past. They have been doing it since the original series. Some of the worst episodes in the spin offs were episodez were it wasn't about the crew but one of their ancestors in the 20th or 21st centry. Nothing spectacular or Treky about it.

 

A new series would be great if they set it between enterprise and the Original series, or after Nemisis. Mayybe set it in the Original series timeline (23rd Centuary) and go from there.

 

Trek's biggest problem is the writers tend to go with what sells over innovating story. When DS9's ratting dropped, they introduced Wolf and started another war between the Federation and the Klingons. THen they resolved that. Ratings were still slipping so they had the war with the Domioin. Granted the Dominion war was always on the table. Voyager had saggin ratings. SO they introudced a character with big breast and stuck in skin tight clothes. Then they had alot of sexual tension around this character. If that wasn't enough, they had a lot of usless action and they turned the Borg into wimps.

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per-federation...

 

i ment before ent... it would have been nice to see how such a federation came into existance & the struglles it went through.. ect ect..

 

i suggested this cause it seems voy has exausted most of the science that could be simlpy put into a tv series....

 

oh yeah its called firefly...lol!!! :)

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Yea ... maybe from the moment of the first contact with the vulcans ...

Or maybe something similar to what vulcans did with humans ... the humans discover a pre-warp civilization and decide to make first contact and help them like vulcans did with Earth (more or less) ... a series based only on this ...

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Jeri Ryan doesn't have big breasts - the catsuit just had a lot of... Borg modifications.

 

I think you've aptly described Trek's problem, Bob... although I wonder if people think wistfully of some imagined "Trek" ideal that never existed.

 

Personally, I couldn't be LESS interested in pre-federation stuff. I think ENT was perhaps a reaction to the encroachment of treknobabble - so they wanted to remove the "let me push 8 buttons and save the day" factor - which for the first two seasons just lead to dullness.

 

The fact is B&B managed to systematically destroy most of the good feeling that may have existed toward Trek and that will likely be the ultimate problem in any resurrection of the franchise.

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You know what I would really like to see? A new show set in the TOS era. All new stuff, maybe one or two cameo appearances from the Enterprise, in the pilot and such, but have it be all new stuff, with an all new crew, but with the old technology and uniforms. We saw a bit of that in "In a Mirror, Darkly", and in "Trials and Tribble-ations", and people loved it. WHy not do a whole series?

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