LBL Posted March 15, 2006 Share Posted March 15, 2006 ANYTHING Braga Headlines in , DIES!!!! Star Trek!! Yes!! The Movies, Voyager! Enterprise! And Even Threshold! Get in the Back seat Brannon!!!! Stick to writing!!! And try to come up with some original ideas!! Quit recycling old ones!! OMG! Imagine in he teamed up with Frakes!!!!????? Grr...Arrgh! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mindwalker Posted March 15, 2006 Share Posted March 15, 2006 Who the hell is Braga? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mav Posted March 15, 2006 Share Posted March 15, 2006 Part of the infamous duo who pretty much destroyed the Star Trek franchise. Along side Rick Berman, Brannon Braga did alot of stuff in the Trek franchise. He's responsible for such great stuff as most of Voyager's really really crappy episodes, some of the crappy TNG movies and most Enterprise.. Together they pretty much buried the series. At one point Berman had some good stuff in TNG and DS9, though most of the good DS9 stuff was Ronald. D Moore Braga has a f'n touch of death on tv shows/movies. I mean he has skill at writing/directing etc but after putting out some good stuff he just sits around on his ass and rehashes the same old crap and does nothing original. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenebrae Posted March 15, 2006 Share Posted March 15, 2006 Hahaha, "Jonathan Frakes and Brannon Braga present" *shiver* Micheal Pillar and Ronald D. Moore did a lot of the good work for Star Trek TNG/DS9. Generally though aids episodes of Voyager can be found to have B&B's names involved. As I've also mentioned - Berman was one of the main forces that presented any gay characters becoming regular cast members (although clearly what happens in the Mirror Universe, stays in the Mirror Universe). The failure of Threshold is probably going to be to Braga's detriment, especially so hot on the heels of the cancellation of Enterprise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjnave Posted March 15, 2006 Share Posted March 15, 2006 I dont really like Brannon personally, from what I've seen (which isnt a lot).. but he's has some good Trek episodes (minus Threshold) and is a good writer. Not sure how the Trek franchise is "pretty much destroyed"... although I have to admit Enterprise was a stink bomb. Far as Im concerned DS9 & Voyager were huge successes and Trekkies are still spending their hard earned money on overpriced Trek merchandise. But what ever happened with him and Jeri Ryan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenebrae Posted March 16, 2006 Share Posted March 16, 2006 Pretty much destroyed? A lot more accurate than "huge successes" year on year ratings decreases do not make a success. Neither does the premature cancellation of a series. As to merchandise, well I've not seen any figures on that but it's generally true to say out of sight - out of mind. Never rated Braga as a writer. Opinon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steveo Posted March 16, 2006 Share Posted March 16, 2006 It's pretty much obvious from ratings that Ronald D Moore was better for Trek than either Berman or Braga. Braga failed with Trek, and Threshold, it's quite that simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mav Posted March 16, 2006 Share Posted March 16, 2006 Ironically, RDM didn't do much, if any at all?, work on Enterprise which failed in the end. After Enterprise, you had Brannon working on Threshold and RDM doing BSG. BSG is greenlit for it's third epic season, Threshold got axed after what, 13 episodes? Brannon will never get to the level of Moore or even Whedon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjnave Posted March 17, 2006 Share Posted March 17, 2006 I didnt see anything about Threshold... did it really stink or did people just now watch it? What was the premise? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenebrae Posted March 17, 2006 Share Posted March 17, 2006 Threshold premise: aliens with the ability to travel in space with mastery of dimensions beyond that which we comprehend and the ability to "hack" human DNA only with sound attempt to invade Earth by infecting ONE LOUSY BOAT. It was just pretty bland to be honest and it didn't get much in the way of ratings. Let's power-up Wiki... ah, here we go. He wrote 27 TNG episodes (and the list of names is very impressive). 30 DS9 (also including some real gems) but ony 2 for Voyager and seems like him and Braga didn't get on well, so he quit weeks into the show. He had no involvement in Star Trek after that. For the interested by lazy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjnave Posted April 6, 2006 Share Posted April 6, 2006 Allright... all i ever hear is a bunch of the same stuff "Berman sucks... ruined Trek... blah blah blah"... Okay.. (this isnt a blasting tone of voice) how about someone write an intelligent paper that numerically lists out the reasons (without the use of the word "devil" "sucks" or "crap" used in it), why they believe Berman has destroyed the franchise and examples (i.e. The canon was perverted here... vision was changed here... etc...) Believe it or not, I have not been able to find a single such written paper on the internet (beisdes the tidbits on wikipedia). Im serious... i would like to read such a posting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenebrae Posted April 6, 2006 Share Posted April 6, 2006 Seems unlikely that will happen - it's too much effort really when it can be summed up with: Excessive treknobabble. Overly formulaic episode format. Character changing events being forgotten at the end of each episode. Issues of continuity and character regularly being ignored for the sake of a story. Excessive Borg use. The total stifling of creativity and originality to the point of utter stagnation until ENT season 3 and even then... I'd say that pretty much covers the broad points of the matter but I'm not going to write an entire discourse on how Braga and Brannon ploughed Trek into the ground because if you've watched enough Trek, you'll either blame them or you won't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjnave Posted April 6, 2006 Share Posted April 6, 2006 Seems unlikely that will happen - it's too much effort really when it can be summed up with: if you've watched enough Trek, you'll either blame them or you won't. well... i basically love Star Trek. And while there are some bummer episodes involved, I've love all the series (barring Enterprise). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenebrae Posted April 6, 2006 Share Posted April 6, 2006 I'm a naturally hypercritical individual - so I can't have a fanboy attitude to these kind of things. Even BSG, which I'll admit is probably one of the best sci-fi shows of the decade, has had its lower ebbs. I've yet to find a show that is worth of unconditional love... although BSG does come close to that. In any event, I'm prone to seeing the flaws in things and let's just say Voyager and Enterprise could keep me busy for a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Centurion Posted April 7, 2006 Share Posted April 7, 2006 Seems unlikely that will happen - it's too much effort really when it can be summed up with: Excessive treknobabble. Overly formulaic episode format. Character changing events being forgotten at the end of each episode. Issues of continuity and character regularly being ignored for the sake of a story. Excessive Borg use. The total stifling of creativity and originality to the point of utter stagnation until ENT season 3 and even then... I'd also add up the reset button syndrome. "Year of Hell" was a classic example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjnave Posted April 7, 2006 Share Posted April 7, 2006 OH MY FREAKING HECK!.. i just wrote this big posting (and quite astute i might add) and the stupid connection failed and it is lost... AGH! Oh well.. bottom line... As my wife said about too much Borg "And this is a problem?" And.. as for ruined the franchise... it seems that the franchise is alive and well and making lots of money. Which makes me think that the real issue is people dont like the direction the show went and not that the franchise is ruined. gotta go.. now im late for a meeting! At least ive got my priorities straight. :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenebrae Posted April 7, 2006 Share Posted April 7, 2006 Tell your wife - no, having the Borg in about 1/3rd of the shows episodes wasn't the real problem. The real problem is that after Scorpion, I've been more intimidated by mincing homosexuals than the Borg portrayed therein. We're supposed to believe a race that once stood on the very brink of totally assimilating the Federation - possibly even the Alpha Quadrant - can basically get their asses kicked by one ship - with extremely limited resources - week in, week out? Don't get me started on Borg kids or Borgs dreaming... although, I'll admit that First Contact started it with the Queen... who I suppose was building on Locutus. Still, those things for me made the Borg about as cool as the Kazon. Gatefan: Year of Hell actually had a reason for using the reset button. 99% of the time it was summarily hit at the end of each episode... to paraphrase the Voyager Coronary: "Be'lanna and 7 of 9 both had life-changing experiences, as per my anti-continuity stance I've had them mind wiped so they'll never speak of what happened again." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjnave Posted April 7, 2006 Share Posted April 7, 2006 looks like someone needs some counselling... can we have our resident Borg stop over? :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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