TetsuoShima Posted June 13, 2006 Share Posted June 13, 2006 I was reading some Voyager pockets these last few weeks (me reading Voyager :stare: ), and the books in question are about Voyager 'adventures' after they're back in the alpha quadrant. In the first few books there is mention about some uneasyness between former Voyager crew and new Voyager crew (alpha quadrant veterans and new recruits). The tension is mainly about the veterans and recruits thinking that Voyager crew were 'lucky' being swept away to the delta quadrant, so they didn't have to be in the war, they feel 'Voyagers' think themselves better than the others. The old Voyager crew is very uncomfortable with this and have a hard time re-adapting to 'life back home', they aren't to happy with the veterans either... The main question here is: who had it hardest/who had the hardest time/..... On all aspects of life... So what do you think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bones2097 Posted June 13, 2006 Share Posted June 13, 2006 duno bout the books... but ds9 had it hardest.... mainly cuz they couldn't run!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TetsuoShima Posted June 13, 2006 Author Share Posted June 13, 2006 yes, that's one possible conclusion, but don't forget, they did have backup and massive Federation support, while Voyager was on its own in unkown territory, behind enemy lines so to speak... Is it this simple? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TFMF Posted June 13, 2006 Share Posted June 13, 2006 DS9 and the Alpha quadrent had it bad Voyager may have survived incredible odds - but it didn't seem that way on the show - they were very laid back but DS9 and the Aplha lost thousands of people and we really did get a sense of the struggle during the war Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenebrae Posted June 13, 2006 Share Posted June 13, 2006 DS9, most of the time ENT, TNG and VOY seemed more like pleasure cruises. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TetsuoShima Posted June 13, 2006 Author Share Posted June 13, 2006 Okay, but if you look at it in percentages instead of in absolute terms. Just by the first jolt to the delta quadrant they lost half their crew and during the way home they lost at least another quarter. Okay, they got replenished rather quickly usually (by huge amount of chance), but still, that means they lost 42% of all the people who served on Voyager. Did the Federation loose 42% of it's people? Or let me put it in a different way, where would you rather be 70 years travel from home (save some miraculous events) trying to be with your people again, not knowing if you'll ever see anyone of them again. Or back home in the alpha quadrant, fighting to be 'free'? Now, before you come down on me, I'm not trying to pick sides just yet, just defending the ones that seem to have little to no support. To get a better picture of it all... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antipodean Posted June 13, 2006 Share Posted June 13, 2006 Voyager definately had it harder. Sure the alpha quad had one hell of a war on their hands, but as crew and individuals, they had a massive support network to back them up... you had the reassurance that not only the Federation was working together to win, but probably the biggest alliance of Alpha Quadrant powers ever. Psychologically, that makes a HUGE difference, compared to one lonely ship stranded far from home, and technologically no tangible hope of getting hope without some sort of miracle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest c4evap Posted June 14, 2006 Share Posted June 14, 2006 I still haven't finished watching my DS9 DVDs but I'd still have to say Voyager. DS9 may have had the Dominion War to deal with...but Voyager had Neelix AND Harry Kim. :p c4 B) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antipodean Posted June 14, 2006 Share Posted June 14, 2006 ...but Voyager had Neelix AND Harry Kim. Hah! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dizzyg Posted June 14, 2006 Share Posted June 14, 2006 iv only just started on my DS9 season 4, just at the start of the dominion wars, but i think that voyager had it worst, just cause they had no backup! DS9 has the whole of the federation on its side! sometimes its just nice to know you have some friends by your side, VOY wern't that lucky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenebrae Posted June 14, 2006 Share Posted June 14, 2006 Voyager also had a deranged captain prone to bouts of personality change... suddenly, the Jem'Hadar probably don't seem so bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiggy Posted June 14, 2006 Share Posted June 14, 2006 Voyager also had a deranged captain prone to bouts of personality change... suddenly, the Jem'Hadar probably don't seem so bad. Personality change......your telling me......she loved the self destruct sequence didnt she? A bit like a few of my ex's! When we look at the foes Voyager had to face and compare them to the Dominion........the Dominion were pansy beatniks. I would of liked to see DS9 against a few Borg cubes! Not strictly true about Voyager being on its own.......it had many allies.......they may have come and gone but they had allied races. If it wasnt for Janeways intervention in the final episode.......the entire crew certainly would of perished.........as the future Janeway points out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arktis Posted June 14, 2006 Share Posted June 14, 2006 In the first few books there is mention about some uneasyness between former Voyager crew and new Voyager crew (alpha quadrant veterans and new recruits). The tension is mainly about the veterans and recruits thinking that Voyager crew were 'lucky' being swept away to the delta quadrant' date=' so they didn't have to be in the war.[/quote'] I'd have to agree. The Dominion war was tough, no doubt about it. While old friends were dying left and right every day, while battles came in and drew back like a constant and bloody tide, while the situation grew more and more desperate each day and the Federation was close to crumble and ruin, they had to keep going even in the midst of the disintegration of their very worlds. Sure Voyager had it hard, but at least home was still theirs to keep if only in the back of their minds, even if they couldn't be part of it. It was there, it existed. While for the DS9 crew, it was being shredded apart piece by piece and they couldn't escape it. It was the biggest and most brutal war the Federation had ever seen, against an enemy that was strong, clever, brutal, and for all intents and purposes without fear, cheap to produce and quick to grow and train. Everywhere they looked, there could be an enemy; you could trust nobody (shape shifters). And on top of it all, the technology of the enemy was superior. And even though most of the Alpha Quadrant had no idea just exactly how bad the war was going, the DS9 crew did. They weren't on some mobile gunship - they had a station to look after. A station that was on the front lines of the war. Yes, Voyager had it hard. But harder than the DS9 crew? Hah. DS9 may have had the Dominion War to deal with...but Voyager had Neelix AND Harry Kim. :p I'd rather face a Jem'Hadar in a firing match than spend a few years in close quarters with Neelix. But if push came to shove, I'd take that over a war any day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiggy Posted June 14, 2006 Share Posted June 14, 2006 They weren't on some mobile gunship They called it the Defiant......ramming speed you little petak! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TFMF Posted June 14, 2006 Share Posted June 14, 2006 Okay, but if you look at it in percentages instead of in absolute terms. Just by the first jolt to the delta quadrant they lost half their crew and during the way home they lost at least another quarter. Okay, they got replenished rather quickly usually (by huge amount of chance), but still, that means they lost 42% of all the people who served on Voyager. Did the Federation loose 42% of it's people? Or let me put it in a different way, where would you rather be 70 years travel from home (save some miraculous events) trying to be with your people again, not knowing if you'll ever see anyone of them again. Or back home in the alpha quadrant, fighting to be 'free'? Now, before you come down on me, I'm not trying to pick sides just yet, just defending the ones that seem to have little to no support. To get a better picture of it all... Voyager would have probably lost more crew if they had been in the Alpha quadrent and had to fight during the war Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arktis Posted June 14, 2006 Share Posted June 14, 2006 They weren't on some mobile gunship They called it the Defiant......ramming speed you little petak! So? They still had to come back to the station, which was a huge strategic point, and defend that. A station that was slower than molases on a cold day in December during a blizzard over a frozen lake. And it was always falling apart in some way. Plus you just never knew what the hell might come through that wormhole. And be nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiggy Posted June 14, 2006 Share Posted June 14, 2006 Voyager would have probably lost more crew if they had been in the Alpha quadrent and had to fight during the war Voyager is a small craft designed for the purposes of science and exploration........if it would of fought in any battle it would of been in a last ditch attempt. DS9 does play a little on the deaths of Federation personel.............remember the Federation is huge and DS9 in my opinion didnt suffer many casualties as one unit in the war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiggy Posted June 14, 2006 Share Posted June 14, 2006 And be nice. Whats the weapons package of DS9 compared to Voyager minus Borg Mods? DS9 would pummel most ships. DS9 has many shuttles and the Defiant........you could escape to warp if you wanted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TFMF Posted June 14, 2006 Share Posted June 14, 2006 Voyager would have probably lost more crew if they had been in the Alpha quadrent and had to fight during the war Voyager is a small craft designed for the purposes of science and exploration........if it would of fought in any battle it would of been in a last ditch attempt. DS9 does play a little on the deaths of Federation personel.............remember the Federation is huge and DS9 in my opinion didnt suffer many casualties as one unit in the war. Well - in the war we saw Galaxy class starships being used - and they were mainly exploration ships. The Federation would have used everything they could to defeat the Dominion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiggy Posted June 14, 2006 Share Posted June 14, 2006 Sorry not the type 6 shuttle...... but runabouts (DANUBE CLASS). Which are classed as a ship in its own right. The Defiant is a ship designed to battle the Borg...........it is a purpose built ship intended for battle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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