Guest c4evap Posted June 20, 2006 Share Posted June 20, 2006 Before we begin, let me ask you all to keep this thread civil and (fairly) on topic. Flame free. OK? This thread is NOT meant to bash Enterprise. I've been reading through quite a few posts/threads regarding Enterprise. It's amazing...the diverse opinions this show has generated on this forum. People either love it or hate it. Some just abhor the Xindi arc while others think it was the best part. So...here's my question...what is it about this show that you really love or really hate? For me it was the choice of Scott Backula for the lead. I've always thought he was wrong for the role. I enjoyed him in Quantum Leap but I always thought that Vaughn Armstrong would have been a better choice (anyone who thinks he was too old for the role...think Picard). I was also very disappointed in the series final EP (as I'm sure a lot of others were). That said...I did purchase the entire series on DVD cause...well, I'm a Star Trek fan first and foremost! So then...do you feel the writers abandoned the fans? The acting was sub-par? The franchise is just old and tired? The setting was wrong? Or do you simply love this show? c4 B) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrDad Posted June 20, 2006 Share Posted June 20, 2006 I don't think the franchise is worn out but I believe the people in charge of it are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dizzyg Posted June 20, 2006 Share Posted June 20, 2006 i really enjoyed the series right up till season 4, i thought Archer got too ... "hard". i definately would have continued watching if they had have kept on going. The reason i enjoyed it so much was because of the sub plots, i found it to go a lot more in depth with character relationships than any of the other series have. Archer vs T'Pol and the Trip vs T'pol saga for one. Phlox was also a briliant character! The ending was one of the worst i have ever seen. It was just cut off and the final two episodes were terrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TetsuoShima Posted June 20, 2006 Share Posted June 20, 2006 I sort of liked it. It was better than average, but not a lot... It was better than Voyager imo. :) The setting was kind of weird, to make it realistic in comparison to the known Star Trek probably was one of the biggest challenges. I liked the idea behind it though, but it was to difficult a task to make it perfect, nevertheless, imo they did a good job of trying to satisfy most people. To bad it ended with so much unanswered questions... The problem, I guess, with most of Star Trek now is, that most obvious things have allready been done so often, so to come up with something refreshing is going to be very hard now. So either, the next Star Trek (will there ever be?), will either be more of the same, or some very inspirational and gifted people will have to step out into the light and make everyone delirious. :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenebrae Posted June 20, 2006 Share Posted June 20, 2006 Pretty much indifference for me. It was too boring to really hate most of the time and it balanced out god awful episodes with some decent ones (toward the end). So overall... forgettable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vyperion Posted June 20, 2006 Share Posted June 20, 2006 Over-used. We had twnety-one seasons of Trek (7 each of TNG, DS9 and VOY) and they should've rested it for at least a year or two before starting a new series instead of rushing head-long into yet another spin-off of the original. I seem to remeber a few crew comments on something about how they didn't like being 'rushed into another show so soon'. And how do they start it? They blow something up and then spend 90 minutes trying to fix everything before it'sthe end of life as we know it. DS9 and Voyager both did that and it was just a shallow let's get your attention gimmick with little follow-through. I'm one of the ones who loved the Xindi-arc. I was so maligned about season 2 that I actually gave up trying to watch it then I saw a season 3 ep and thought 'what the hell?'. It was serialised and for a show which usually ends up in five-a-week syndication this was excellent. Events from one show affected the next or set up something for an even later show. There was a few atches at the start but even they led to a later plotline - Episode 4 Rajin gave part of the backstory for ep10 Carpenter Street and the bodies and equipment ended up still on Enterprise in one of the twilight episodes of the season where they had to convince the sympathetic Xindi about the true nature of their Saviours. Then came season 4 as if they had forgotten what they did last season and tried to combine the old self-contained episodes with the serialisation and it just didn't come off right (and I'm sure a couple of eps echoed TOS in my head like the one-hit-wonder transporter genius who was trying to prove he still had worth and it all went wrong). They had an interesting group of characters but they advanced the development of Starfleet too quickly and ignored some of the Canon from the original series. Overall opinion - liked the series, loved season 3, some god-awful episodes just spoilt the rest of it and a really bad finale (Note to Frakes: you're too fat for that suit nowadays :p ) Would I buy it on DVD? Yes Do I still watch it? If it comes on TV I will probably watch it if it's one of the ones I liked but I've got them all on VHS, DVD or Hard Drive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antipodean Posted June 20, 2006 Share Posted June 20, 2006 I'm one of the ones who loved the Xindi-arc. Thats one thing I've noticed... people never seem to feel any abivalence towards the Xindi arc - they either love it, or hate it. I'd count myself in the latter I'm afraid. It just got silly. The overtones with September 11 were just too obvious and I just couldn't believe my eyes when I actually saw a Captain of the Starship Enterprise engaged in torture. Very uncool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TFMF Posted June 20, 2006 Share Posted June 20, 2006 The Xindi Arc was just amazing - i really loved that and season 4 was really good as well. Season 1 was not that great though - i just thought it was a bit slow going. Season 2 was better though and we got more interesting stoires. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hilander72 Posted June 20, 2006 Share Posted June 20, 2006 I think the Xindi arc "killed" it in the end... The Xindi arc (season 3) took a few episode to get used to and when it "finally" ended the show lost it's "Enterprise style". Going back to the "old ST" style, single or two/three part episodes, (season 4) never felt like "Enterprise" anymore. Still the Mirror Universe episodes (season 4) are some of the finest ST episodes ever made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostShadow Posted June 26, 2006 Share Posted June 26, 2006 wow, long time since I posted, but I thought I would stop by here. At first, I really hated ENT, it literaly made me think twice about Star Trek, but once the ball was in motion and things started to happen like details about the vulcans and just seeing how the earth was before the federation was pretty cool. I will admit now that I htink ENT is pretty good. better then TOS imho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevenofNine Posted June 26, 2006 Share Posted June 26, 2006 I have several strong opinions of the show, even though I didn't see all of the episodes. My youngest was born during the show's run, so I missed a lot of material the first time through, but the show could have been interesting enough that I made time to see it. OK, so what did I think: POSITIVES Scott Bakula - in my opinion was excellent! I never liked Quantum Leap, but I did really enjoy Bakula in the movie Lord of Illusions and enjoyed him similarly here. I thought he got off to a great start, with the early characterisation of his resentment of the Vulcans for stunting his father's research, and his pro-Earth stance. Great aspect of the show. Trip - was also a good character. We're from Texas, so any time a good, strong Texan appears on TV, it's a bonus in our view. My wife, who watched the show peripherally, also enjoyed Trip. He's one of those characters who, even if the show itself is uninteresting, makes it worth watching that episode. I don't know the names of episodes, but the one where he's left with an alien to face a coming daybreak on a very hot planet was a great piece of work. "Dawn" maybe? Phlox - was another very enjoyable character. Fun when characters went to visit him, fun when he was the main thrust, and fun when he made only small appearances. Special Effects - were top notch in the show. And part of the reason it was cancelled was their great cost. But they were often superb. Andorians - were a very-well made enemy. There's been a concentration on the Borg, the Jem'Hadar and the Klingon races in other shows' seasons. And I haven't enjoyed these concentrations, much. DS9 had a lot of war and combat, and the writing let it down particularly, as every phaser fight was an excercise in ridiculousness. (Any small combat team's going to have support weapons: grenades, heavy weapons, com-sat, etc. In DS9 all the combat was essentiually phaser-only, like combat units today walking around with 45s.) The Andorians were just mean, capable of getting what they wanted, and well-written. They said the Vulcans were spying, and they were right. Loved the Andorians, wished they'd seen more action. NEGATIVES Plot Line Indecision - Are we concentrating on the Time War, the Xindi, the Vulcan/Andorian conflict... I applaud the long-term plotlines. Voyager severely needed them. But even while watching, it seemed the behind-the-scenes activities pulled us away from properly concentrating by mixing in other elements. Blatant Sex-on-screen - I'll admit that Seven of Nine was a ridiculous character. How practical is it to work in a catsuit and 3-inch heels? Ask any woman. I thought Paramount wouldn't make the mistake of insulting our intelligence that blatantly again. So, we get two silicon-based life forms parading around on the chest of another catsuited character; a comm officer who was naked in several episodes; Trip rubbing decon material on any number of women in a blue-lighted, half-naked environment and a blatant use of Orion slave girls rivalling the gorge-rising femmes of Voyager's "False Profits" episode. Rewriting Canon - is a point made and probably only grokked by us old people. I don't mind a prequel to TOS being made. I don't even mind that they make things look more modern in the prequel than they did in the original. TOS was made in the 60s after all. But you can't mess with canon, it's just not kosher. Roddenberry and Braga did a lot of this over the years. Anything to knock Shatner down. So someone else was the youngest captain; someone else made first contact with a race; someone else invented a manoeuvre... etc. Lack of Compelling Material - as much as people hate Voyager I loved it. Over the seven years of its run, I missed only one episode on first airing, and that because I moved that week. I saw 170 episodes of a tv show on first airing. That's appointment television. I never did that with ENT, it never made me schedule my life to see it. And I remember several times where the show was so uninteresting I stopped watching. I really had looked forward to Spiner and Weller being guests. But I didn't complete watching either story arc. Just too boring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonstalker Posted June 27, 2006 Share Posted June 27, 2006 I enjoyed the 3rd and 4th seasons much better than most of the 1st and all of the 2nd. Enoyed the Xindi arc (loved some of the SFX - especially of the Enterprise in battle) Kind of wish there wasn't the whole temporal cold war stuff. Did like the "explanations" of the 4th season - klingon ridges, etc. Could have done without the last episode being what it was. I would watch an Enterprise movie or tv special. Especially if they ignored the last episode or continued on in such a way to render the episode inconsequential. I did think that the characters were interesting. Liked Bakula as Archer, the Trip character, Phlox, etc. Shame that it had to end the way it did - both on screen and off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Megalith Posted June 27, 2006 Share Posted June 27, 2006 i admit out of all the star trek franchise material Enterprise failed to capture my imagination much at all, i think the theme tune was what did it for me, a lot of people loved that song but it grinded with me and i just never really got into it and seen only a couple of episodes with friends who thought enterprise was the best thing ever and were determined to make me agree with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest c4evap Posted June 27, 2006 Share Posted June 27, 2006 I agree. I like the song on its own...but as an opening theme for ENT it was out of place. The theme from the MU EPs would have been preferable. c4 B) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tablet Posted June 27, 2006 Share Posted June 27, 2006 D'ya know what i loved at first? the fact tat it was called 'Enterprise' and not 'Star Trek Enterprise' so i didnt classify it as canon, but season 3, there was no need, a full season on the Xindi when they could have done something interrestng like the romulan war?!? But i have to admit i loved season 4, i think out of all the seasons, 4 actually addressed more events of TOS than any other, that was another reason i was peeved off, the fact that the writers thought they had the right to re-write conon - that's not cool Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TFMF Posted June 27, 2006 Share Posted June 27, 2006 I agree. I like the song on its own...but as an opening theme for ENT it was out of place. The theme from the MU EPs would have been preferable. c4 B) Yeah especially in season 1 and 2 the theme tune was really quite bad - the season 3/4 version was much better but the mirror universe theme would have been great instead :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nireves1 Posted June 27, 2006 Share Posted June 27, 2006 i just watched the first episode and i tought it was al right the way the story is told feels familiar i hate the cast they all seem like slimy american sitcom actors (no offence) and don't get me started on the titlesong! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonstalker Posted June 28, 2006 Share Posted June 28, 2006 I agree. I like the song on its own...but as an opening theme for ENT it was out of place. The theme from the MU EPs would have been preferable. c4 B) The song kind of grew on me. It was real disconcerting at first. I did like the historical images they used though. Maybe without the lyrics ...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cbosdell Posted June 28, 2006 Share Posted June 28, 2006 i never heard the difference between the season 1/2 and 3/4 themes. :| anyways i love enterprise. it was THE best trek (followed by DS9) imho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest c4evap Posted June 28, 2006 Share Posted June 28, 2006 i just watched the first episode and i tought it was al right the way the story is told feels familiar i hate the cast they all seem like slimy american sitcom actors (no offence) and don't get me started on the titlesong! The first EP really confused me when I saw it. Here you had a Klingon with "ridges" (pre-TOS). I forget now...how did they explain that one again? c4 :thinking: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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