vfn4i83 Posted June 28, 2006 Share Posted June 28, 2006 The first EP really confused me when I saw it. Here you had a Klingon with "ridges" (pre-TOS). I forget now...how did they explain that one again? c4 :thinking: They were trying to become augments or sorta. The first 2 yaers has a weak plot, at least, the action part was explored to mutch leaving the exploration by side. But yes, I missing a Star Trek Enterprise serie, they`ve could continue if a new plot, now that the federation is starting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest c4evap Posted June 28, 2006 Share Posted June 28, 2006 The first EP really confused me when I saw it. Here you had a Klingon with "ridges" (pre-TOS). I forget now...how did they explain that one again? c4 :thinking: They were trying to become augments or sorta. What I meant was/is...in ENT we see the Klingon with the "ridges" but in TOS (set some 100 years in the future) they didn't have them...just some really, really bad bushy eyebrows. Am I missing something? Why would they have the ridges, then not have them, then have them again? And let's not even mention how the ridges on Worf's brow changed from season to season...not to mention the overall shape of his skull! c4 B) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HEAT84 Posted June 28, 2006 Share Posted June 28, 2006 I didn't really like it all that much. I watched it mostly just to get my Star Trek fix. Except for a few episodes, I wasn't grabbed by them like I was by the previous Star Treks. One thing that always botherd me was that the Enterprise in this Star Trek looked more technologically advanced than Kirk's Enterprise. I understand that TV technology has come along way since the 60's, but that doesn't mean you have to move with it. I always thought Kirk's Enterprise was the most realistic one out of all of them anyways. I mean the TNG Enterprise is all about Luxury. But the Milatary has never cared about luxury. I have hard time believing they'll ever change that. Although with women becoming a bigger part of the milatary, you never know. What also bothered me similar to this was the explanition of why Klingons on TOS and ENT look different than TNG,DS9, and VOY. An explanation is not necessary. We all have common sense. We know that again, TV technology has advanced alot over the decades. Anyone who thinks ENT was better than Voyager is crazy. The only bad thing about Voyager was the end of the final episode. They came through the Borg conduit and 10 seconds later the credits rolled. Way to abrupt an ending for my taste. Edit: i also forgot to mention that I didn't like the idea of the series going backwards in time. Apparently alot of Trekkies didn't like how the series kept going further and further into the future. I'm not one of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HEAT84 Posted June 28, 2006 Share Posted June 28, 2006 The first EP really confused me when I saw it. Here you had a Klingon with "ridges" (pre-TOS). I forget now...how did they explain that one again? c4 :thinking: They were trying to become augments or sorta. What I meant was/is...in ENT we see the Klingon with the "ridges" but in TOS (set some 100 years in the future) they didn't have them...just some really, really bad bushy eyebrows. Am I missing something? Why would they have the ridges, then not have them, then have them again? And let's not even mention how the ridges on Worf's brow changed from season to season...not to mention the overall shape of his skull! c4 B) You obviously never saw TOS, which was made back in the 60's. Since then TV technology (including make-up technology) has obviously evolved drastically. I guess back then they didn't know how or have the means to put ridges on peoples heads. Or maybe they were just lazy. The basic answer is technology and the Klingon's in ENT had to look more like the TOS Klingons for continuity. The changes in Worf's look are also due to make up technology evoloution. But I think its mostly because they wanted to age him. His character lasted 15 years or so (and counting?)(if you include the movies). It wouldn't make sense if he looked the same the whole time would it? I have to admit though, that the way he looked during the first season or 2 (or 3?) is drastically different than the rest of his existance. Him wearing a red uniform in those early days probaly made the difference look more drastic than it actually is. Edit: I'm sure some geek (I mean that in the nicest way possible) is gonna nitpick about how long Worf's character lasted. I was going by actual time (from 1987 to Nemesis (2001?). I'm sure in Star Trek time its much shorter (9 years?). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest c4evap Posted June 28, 2006 Share Posted June 28, 2006 One thing that always botherd me was that the Enterprise in this Star Trek looked more technologically advanced than Kirk's Enterprise. Well, TOS's Enterprise was bigger for one thing and "cleaner" looking. Anyone who thinks ENT was better than Voyager is crazy. The only bad thing about Voyager was the end of the final episode. They came through the Borg conduit and 10 seconds later the credits rolled. Way to abrupt an ending for my taste. OMG! I must agree with you there. I loved the final EP but you're correct. Right after - BANG...credits! Still a great two-parter final EP but I so wanted to see more. c4 B) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest c4evap Posted June 28, 2006 Share Posted June 28, 2006 You obviously never saw TOS Dude...I was 13 when TOS came out! I saw all the original EPs. Man! Canon dude...canon! You obviously don't get my point... c4 :stare: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HEAT84 Posted June 28, 2006 Share Posted June 28, 2006 You obviously never saw TOS Dude...I was 13 when TOS came out! I saw all the original EPs. Man! Canon dude...canon! You obviously don't get my point... c4 :stare: Oh, I just re-read what you said and you said between TOS and ENT. I just skimmed that part the first time I guess. I haven't seen an episode of TOS in like 10 years, at least one with a Klingon it (Wait does that one episode of DS9 with the tribbles count? I just saw that a few days ago). So I don't remember exactly what they looked like only that they just wore dark make-up and had bushy eyebrows. But still they prpbably didn't have ridges in TOS for the reasons I said. I guess they could've left them out of ENT though. But I think they put them in ENT for the same reason that that Enterprise looks newer than Kirk's Enterprise. They preferred using modern TV technology over realism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nireves1 Posted June 28, 2006 Share Posted June 28, 2006 i just watched the second episode and i dont think i kan get over the fucking dog!! i hope the doctor eats him in the third episode! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nireves1 Posted June 30, 2006 Share Posted June 30, 2006 sorry for the swearing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenebrae Posted June 30, 2006 Share Posted June 30, 2006 There is absolutely no excuse for spelling can with a k. Might want to try using the shift key a bit too. Pretend it's a game called "adult punctuation and grammar". Grammar nazism aside... The ENT explanation of the Klingon ridge thing was funny (in a stupid sense). On the plus side, it did actually explain the incontinuity... but then, I think that in a broad (and I know there are some people who will forge immensely improbable explanations to counter gaps in continuity) sense, ENT probably screwed around with continuity more than it did favours to it with its little "nods". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevenofNine Posted June 30, 2006 Share Posted June 30, 2006 It stirred up a pot that the producers even attempted to address the Klingon ridge issue. They could simply have ignored it and noone really would have cared. I liked the explanation in one of the ST TOS books, where the difference in Klingon appearances are put down to a political decision to only allow certain races of Klingon to command ships, sorta like the Xindi have different races. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest c4evap Posted July 2, 2006 Share Posted July 2, 2006 Oh' date=' I just re-read what you said and you said between TOS and ENT. I just skimmed that part the first time I guess. I haven't seen an episode of TOS in like 10 years, at least one with a Klingon it (Wait does that one episode of DS9 with the tribbles count? I just saw that a few days ago). So I don't remember exactly what they looked like only that they just wore dark make-up and had bushy eyebrows. But still they prpbably didn't have ridges in TOS for the reasons I said. I guess they could've left them out of ENT though. But I think they put them in ENT for the same reason that that Enterprise looks newer than Kirk's Enterprise. They preferred using modern TV technology over realism. [/quote'] Yeah well...they really fu*ked that up! :( There is absolutely no excuse for spelling can with a k. Might want to try using the shift key a bit too. Pretend it's a game called "adult punctuation and grammar". I vote to make Tenebrae our official grammar nazi! c4 :cyclops: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenebrae Posted July 3, 2006 Share Posted July 3, 2006 I do edit porn stories for a "living" and I am incredibly right wing. I accept the offer. They already addressed the issue of ridges, eh? I think it was just one of those quirks of Star Trek... I mean, they didn't explain why Trills dramatically changed from TNG to DS9. Although, I suppose that's not really such a big issue as a major race have changed considerably in appearance for no discernable reason. It's strange that in Trials and Tribble-ations that Bashir and co aren't aware of it though... you'd think people would have SOME awareness of it. Especially as the adventures of Kirk et al are so well documented. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nireves1 Posted July 3, 2006 Share Posted July 3, 2006 There is absolutely no excuse for spelling can with a k. Might want to try using the shift key a bit too. Pretend it's a game called "adult punctuation and grammar". ". o come on you try to write dutch then! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpt_Sugar Posted July 3, 2006 Share Posted July 3, 2006 There were a few good episodes in enterprise series 1 e.g. Silent enemy. I loved the idea of a ship coming then trying to blow up enterprise for no apparent reason. Havent watched s4 yet and am five episodes into s3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenebrae Posted July 3, 2006 Share Posted July 3, 2006 There is absolutely no excuse for spelling can with a k. Might want to try using the shift key a bit too. Pretend it's a game called "adult punctuation and grammar". ". o come on you try to write dutch then! Don't make me destroy you. Silent enemy was interesting but the problem is that (and I suppose this is something that could be levelled at the entire series) for people so new to interstellar travel, they boasted defensive capabilities that were almost always upto the task. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest c4evap Posted July 3, 2006 Share Posted July 3, 2006 They already addressed the issue of ridges, eh? I think it was just one of those quirks of Star Trek... I mean, they didn't explain why Trills dramatically changed from TNG to DS9. Although, I suppose that's not really such a big issue as a major race have changed considerably in appearance for no discernable reason. It's strange that in Trials and Tribble-ations that Bashir and co aren't aware of it though... you'd think people would have SOME awareness of it. Especially as the adventures of Kirk et al are so well documented. Thank you. That's part of the point I was trying to make. c4 :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenebrae Posted July 4, 2006 Share Posted July 4, 2006 Even when I'm not trying, I'm solving the worlds problems. Soon, I will develop "the final solution". But yes... I suppose from a continuity point of view, there had to be some kind of way to address the Klingon issue but the fact that it wasn't done in the TOS movies probably meant it should just have been kept quiet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arktis Posted July 4, 2006 Share Posted July 4, 2006 I have now watched about half of ENT season one, and I can safely say that I HATE THIS SHOW. With a passion. I had a much better time laying in a field and looking up at the stars last night, and I got way more out of it. Why do I hate the show so much? It's very low-brow. It might as well be a prime time FOX/ABC/CBS/NBC drama. Edit: In fact, I'm going to go outside right now, lay down in the grass, and stargaze for a bit. God, I love doing that. You people who live in very large urban areas with smog and lots of lighting at night are really missing out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenebrae Posted July 4, 2006 Share Posted July 4, 2006 Yeah, I hate shops in easy walking distance, running water and reliable electricity. ENT's first season is easily its worst but I think that's true for all Trek except TOS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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