Commander Data Posted June 30, 2006 Share Posted June 30, 2006 i have a question what needs answering.. Why do we see USS Defiant get exploded in 2373 under Star Trek The First Contact under Commander LT Worf command, while in Deep Space Nine we dont hear nothing about it getting exploded or that Worf was gone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Symok Posted June 30, 2006 Share Posted June 30, 2006 Because the Star Trek writers/producers don't care about covering every nitty-gritty little continuity issue. Or even some of the major ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arktis Posted June 30, 2006 Share Posted June 30, 2006 Are you sure that was the Defiant, or was it just a Defiant Class ship? Edit: No wait... it wasn't actually destroyed, just crippled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vfn4i83 Posted June 30, 2006 Share Posted June 30, 2006 defiant was destroyed, them Sisco received the new defiant class São Paulo and renamed it to Defiant, what was funny, sailors mitology say that if u renamed a ship it brings bad lucky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiggy Posted June 30, 2006 Share Posted June 30, 2006 defiant was destroyed, them Sisco received the new defiant class São Paulo and renamed it to Defiant, what was funny, sailors mitology say that if u renamed a ship it brings bad lucky. I was watching Message in a Bottle (Voyager) the one with the multi vector assualt mode and there appears to be a Defiant class ship involved in the battle with the Romulans...........any ideas if that Iis the USS Defiant? Or is there no way to tell? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bones2097 Posted June 30, 2006 Share Posted June 30, 2006 umm... you'd have to catch its license plate.. ahem i mean it serial number or what ever its called.. the nccxxx bla bla bla... MMVI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TetsuoShima Posted June 30, 2006 Share Posted June 30, 2006 The ship was not destroyed, it was salvageble. There was some commotion about this in the DS9 crew, since even the actor that played Sisko (can remember the name right now) didn't know about that. Or so he said somewhere. The ship was destroyed in a DS9 episode (not the movie) and that's when they recieved a new one and named it Defiant again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vyperion Posted June 30, 2006 Share Posted June 30, 2006 defiant was destroyed' date=' them Sisco received the new defiant class São Paulo and renamed it to Defiant, what was funny, sailors mitology say that if u renamed a ship it brings bad lucky.[/quote'] I was watching Message in a Bottle (Voyager) the one with the multi vector assualt mode and there appears to be a Defiant class ship involved in the battle with the Romulans...........any ideas if that is the USS Defiant? Or is there no way to tell? Prometheus (the MVAM ship) and I think there was two or three Defiant ships in that one and I woul;d assume not since they were in the Beta Quadrant at the time. Although one of them could've been the São Paulo so there's always a possibility that one of the Defiants could've been in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenebrae Posted June 30, 2006 Share Posted June 30, 2006 Yes, it's CLEARLY stated that the Defiant isn't destroyed in First Contacted - pretty much the second Worf comes aboard... although salvageable doesn't make it sound like it's in great shape (although - yes, this and Worf's role in the films showed a real disregard for continuity). The Defiant IS destroyed in the final season of DS9 when the Breen use their compass/protractor energy dampening weapons. It's very strange that they renamed the ship though as it's typically (in naval tradition) seen as excepionally bad luck to rename ships. It's also worth noting that for no discernable reason, the Sau Paulo didn't have the ablative armour of the original Defiant... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiggy Posted June 30, 2006 Share Posted June 30, 2006 Just checked the episode..........there are in fact two Defiant class ships in the same battle.......where abouts do I look for the registration..........I cannot see it in the usual place? When the Defiant was destroyed why didnt they name the new ship Defiant B? lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevenofNine Posted June 30, 2006 Share Posted June 30, 2006 From Memory Alpha: The Defiant's short but illustrious life ended during the Second Battle of Chin'toka, when the ship was disabled by the Breen energy dissipator, and subsequently destroyed by Dominion weapons. (DS9: "The Changing Face of Evil") The USS São Paulo was renamed in honor of the Defiant, and it fought in the final battle of the Dominion War, the Battle of Cardassia. (DS9: "The Dogs of War", "What You Leave Behind") ...and... The new Defiant was slightly modified from the prototype. On the bridge, the consoles alongside the captain's chair had been redesigned, and the aft operations table replaced with a free-standing console. In addition, the ship's shield generators had been completely reconfigured, as had its internal furnishing - a fact bemoaned by Julian Bashir upon boarding the vessel. The Defiant participated in the Battle of Cardassia, the last battle of the war. Familiar with the individual characteristics of the old Defiant, the crew found it difficult to equate the one with the other, Nog noting that the new Defiant was "a little sluggish". The vessel lacked the worn-in combat capability and effectiveness of the prototype, but acquitted herself well during the battle. (DS9: "What You Leave Behind") Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Symok Posted July 1, 2006 Share Posted July 1, 2006 I'm not sure where this discussion of the Defiant's destruction in S7 came from... The OP was just commenting about how noone in DS9 makes any reference to the events depicted in First Contact... Which you'd think they would considering it was nearly the End of Everything, and all... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arktis Posted July 1, 2006 Share Posted July 1, 2006 Because of the nature of the incident, it was probably classified. Of course the real truth is that it was just an inconveniance to the DS9 creators and the show basicly ignored it. Good enough? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenebrae Posted July 1, 2006 Share Posted July 1, 2006 Films are generally considered to be... somewhat out of canon. I mean, there's ostensibly no explanation for Worf to be back on the Enterprise in Insurrection and Nemesis - he's just there. If only they'd put in a scene with Worf going "I've been reassigned to the Enterprise for a second, last ever mission." and then again in Nemesis "I've been reassigned to the Enterprise for a third, last ever mission." That would have explained it good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Symok Posted July 1, 2006 Share Posted July 1, 2006 In Insurrection they do give an explanation, but it's drowned out by the other dialog. Picard asks him, "What the hell are you doing here?" and he starts to respond that he was at some colony, but you don't get to hear why. Basically he's giving the "I was in the neighbourhood, and decided to drop in for a visit" explanation. His presence in Nemesis is obvious: He's there for the wedding, then sticks around when the trouble starts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TetsuoShima Posted July 1, 2006 Share Posted July 1, 2006 Well, there is an explanation but it's in both cases a rather obvious explanation. In case of Insurrection, he's on leave at the same place where Picard and crew are holding a ceremony for new Federation members. What a coincidence.. :p In case of Nemesis, he's attending the wedding, which is to be expected... heh, wasn't fast enough. :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arktis Posted July 1, 2006 Share Posted July 1, 2006 Movies are basicly considered "secondary cannon"; they are actual cannon except where they contradict the primary TV cannon. This means (among other things) that TV cannon can basicly ignore any part of any movie. Star Trek V: The Final Frontier is a prime example. TV cannon just pretty much ignores that entire movie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Symok Posted July 2, 2006 Share Posted July 2, 2006 Isn't that backwards, in that ST:V ignores the TV cannon of the Enterprise crew having gone through the galactic barrier, which is the same type of energy? TNG et all generally don't tie much into ANY of the TOS movies, so I'm not sure what specifically from ST:V you're refering to them ignoring... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenebrae Posted July 2, 2006 Share Posted July 2, 2006 No one cares much for Final Frontier... it was supposed to be the "swan song" for the TOS crew... but it was so god damned awful, they made another one. Nice work on the Worf expanations... mine surpassed the film ones though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arktis Posted July 2, 2006 Share Posted July 2, 2006 Isn't that backwards' date=' in that ST:V ignores the TV cannon of the Enterprise crew having gone through the galactic barrier, which is the same type of energy? TNG et all generally don't tie much into ANY of the TOS movies, so I'm not sure what specifically from ST:V you're refering to them ignoring...[/quote'] You're mixing yourself up over nothing. Go back and read my last post. Cover up everything except the first sentence if you have to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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