Vyperion Posted July 12, 2006 Share Posted July 12, 2006 alt-Torchwood - the situation in our reality was that Torchwood was created to defend against alien incursions and the Doctor placed himself firmly in the path of Queen Victoia's wrath. The situation itself still would/could/maybe have happened (travelling by coach, stopping at Torchwood Manor, being attcked by the Werewolf) only because the Doctor wasn't there she figured out herself what the diamond and such was for only this time she DIDN'T get scratched and that's why the Royals didn't survive into the present day because they lacked a certain drive (the werewolf cell) and abdicated leaving the Government to form a republic. Maybe one of the servants conversed with the wolf instead of Rose and passed it on to her majesty leading Queen Vic to form Torchwood for a similar purpose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Megalith Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 lol wtf do i keep callin mickey jimmy lol sighs :cyclops: i could blag it if his first name was jimmy lol but its noel so it must be a result of a mispent youth of sex drugs and rock n roll Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antilles Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 Nah I think its that 'Krankies Special Edition DVD Boxset' youve been watching :p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TV Man Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 alt-Torchwood - the situation in our reality was that Torchwood was created to defend against alien incursions and the Doctor placed himself firmly in the path of Queen Victoia's wrath. The situation itself still would/could/maybe have happened (travelling by coach' date=' stopping at Torchwood Manor, being attcked by the Werewolf) only because the Doctor wasn't there she figured out herself what the diamond and such was for only this time she DIDN'T get scratched and that's why the Royals didn't survive into the present day because they lacked a certain drive (the werewolf cell) and abdicated leaving the Government to form a republic. Maybe one of the servants conversed with the wolf instead of Rose and passed it on to her majesty leading Queen Vic to form Torchwood for a similar purpose.[/quote'] Perhaps, but still alt-Torchwood was not explained in the episode, so I think the only thing one can assume is that the origins are the same until the story tells us differently. Actually, the more I think about it, I think the producers missed a huge opportunity. Try this scenario: * Rose doesn't exist in alt-Earth. That much we know from mid-season Cybermen episode where "Rose" was a dog on alt-Earth. * Torchwood does exist on alt-Earth, which we know from Army of Ghosts. * So, suppose there is an alt-Doctor. It could be assumed that the alt-Doctor would be the Ecceslton (or even earlier) incarnation. Why? Well the alt-Doctor would not have died saving Rose from the TARDIS vortex as we saw at the end of last season. That event would NOT have happened in the alt-Universe because Rose didn't exist there. So if we assume that in the alt-universe the first appearance of Eccelston's Doctor battled the Autons sans Rose, he would then divert from there to a different path, and may therefore still be "alive" in that universe. * So the season finale *could* have been a good opportunity to bring in one of the previous incarnations of the Doctor in the alt-Universe. That could have been fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antilles Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 I always assumed the Doctor (and all time-Lords) had a special relationship regarding time and were not affected by such phenomenon as alt-universes. Meaning theres 1 unique Doc wherever he goes. Discounting his former selves that is or situations like in Fathers Day when he and Rose saw themselves from 5 mins earlier. I just cant get my head around there being more than 1 Dr in each parallel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Megalith Posted July 14, 2006 Share Posted July 14, 2006 lol RS @ the Krankies god i hated them lol Definately NOT fandabidozi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GorunNova Posted July 14, 2006 Share Posted July 14, 2006 lol RS @ the Krankies god i hated them lol Definately NOT fandabidozi Heh... Megalith: Owned for bandwidth theft. Edit: Having only one version of the Time Lords in all realities is an interesting concept... maybe that also means that the Daleks have also transcended alternate realities? (i.e. there are alt-cybermen, but there are (or were) only one set of Time Lords and Daleks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TV Man Posted July 14, 2006 Share Posted July 14, 2006 I always assumed the Doctor (and all time-Lords) had a special relationship regarding time and were not affected by such phenomenon as alt-universes. Meaning theres 1 unique Doc wherever he goes. Discounting his former selves that is or situations like in Fathers Day when he and Rose saw themselves from 5 mins earlier. I'm trying to recall if there were any alt-universe stories in the classic series. Travel through time and space is not necessarily the same thing as flitting between parallel universes is it? But another thing in the new series is that sometimes the TARDIS does the flying police box routine by acting as a spaceship. Other times it dematerializes and rematerilizes like one would expect. I'm trying to recall instances in the classic series where the TARDIS was travelling by means other than dematerializing in one spot and rematerializing in another (or getting carried off by some baddie). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antilles Posted July 14, 2006 Share Posted July 14, 2006 Well, there was Inferno where the Doctor went to an alternate Earth where there was the Brig, Liz Shaw etc, but they didnt know him so there wasnt a Doctor in that Universe, the Timelords, I should imagine, banished him to \'our\' Earth and its timeline. As for the TARDIS travelling by other means, I can think of \'The Faceless Ones\' where it was carted off in a truck. \'Time-Flight\' where the TARDIS was on Concorde as it travelled through the time corridor. Im sure theres a few more but those spring to mind. Damn them for not letting you use the Krankies pic! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenebrae Posted July 14, 2006 Share Posted July 14, 2006 It actually worked if you just c/p'd. The Alternate dimension question... hmm. Time and space aren't a different universe, I think you'd probably need to be to a point of near omnipotence to actually be capable of transcending the multiverse. I imagine that it would make time travel look like the proverbial cake-walk. As to whether there was a Doctor in the alternate Earth... well, it's entirely possible. He was there for all of five minutes. All we know is that he wasn't mentioned - the universe is a big place, maybe the Doctor isn't so keen on Earth there? Or died or got killed in the Time War, etc. etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Megalith Posted July 14, 2006 Share Posted July 14, 2006 I will have to look over some of my lateish tom baker stories to confirm, but is not E-Space the same thing as the Void? P.S. God i'd die if i had to go to court on charges relating to the theft of a krankies picture god the shame of it :stare: P.P.S. I wouldnt waste Harddrive space with the Krankies sighs :stare: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antilles Posted July 14, 2006 Share Posted July 14, 2006 Megalith, skip back to the last couple of posts on the Army Of Ghosts thread, I came across the 'void' E-Space link in the last 5 mins of episode 3 of Logopolis where the Monitor mentions that they created voids and the Doctor responded by saying "Hed been through one of your voids" interesting stuff. It also got me thinking about the Time Monster story when the Brig asked about interstitial time and Sgt Benton actually understood about it being the space inbetween 'now & now'. I wonder if thats similair to the void. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TV Man Posted July 14, 2006 Share Posted July 14, 2006 I will have to look over some of my lateish tom baker stories to confirm' date=' but is not E-Space the same thing as the Void?[/quote'] That could be. But neither E-Space or the Void are alternate universes. When the Doctor was in E-Space, wasn't it a sort of trap? That would be consistent with the Daleks and Cybers falling into E-Space. They are now trapped there. But even the Doctor doesn't have the ability to cross over into other universes at will. In fact, in the current series the Doctor specifically mentioned a couple of time that crossing over into another universe "isn't supposed to happen" and causes a tear in time/space which leads to disaster. As for the TARDIS travelling by other means' date=' I can think of \'The Faceless Ones\' where it was carted off in a truck. \'Time-Flight\' where the TARDIS was on Concorde as it travelled through the time corridor. Im sure theres a few more but those spring to mind. [/quote'] Yes, the TARDIS can be "carried" away or contained in another vessel, and that has occurred numerous times in the history of the series. But I'm trying to remember if there are any other examples of the TARDIS "towing" spaceships or vessels in a manner similar to what occured at the end of Satan Pit. The Alternate dimension question... hmm. Time and space aren't a different universe, I think you'd probably need to be to a point of near omnipotence to actually be capable of transcending the multiverse. I imagine that it would make time travel look like the proverbial cake-walk. As to whether there was a Doctor in the alternate Earth... well, it's entirely possible. He was there for all of five minutes. All we know is that he wasn't mentioned - the universe is a big place, maybe the Doctor isn't so keen on Earth there? Or died or got killed in the Time War, etc. etc. The Doctor certainly doesn't have the power to cross universal boundaries at will. Regarding an alt-Earth Doctor, it would make logical sense that in most alternate universes you have alternate Gallifreys, and therefore, alternate Doctors. The Doctor we know is a product of his specific universe, and though he has the power to be able to travel through time and space, it seems to be limited to the universe to which he belongs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amnot Borg Posted July 14, 2006 Share Posted July 14, 2006 I will have to look over some of my lateish tom baker stories to confirm, but is not E-Space the same thing as the Void? P.S. God i'd die if i had to go to court on charges relating to the theft of a krankies picture god the shame of it :stare: just blame Google like everyone else. btw, here's your pic. ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenebrae Posted July 14, 2006 Share Posted July 14, 2006 Would people stop posting pictures of midgets and kiddie fiddlers please? P2P, prostituion, AIDS - don't I have enough to worry about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antilles Posted July 15, 2006 Share Posted July 15, 2006 Would people stop posting pictures of midgets and kiddie fiddlers please? P2P, prostituion, AIDS - don't I have enough to worry about? LOL That midget is his wife you know! :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Megalith Posted July 17, 2006 Share Posted July 17, 2006 Delete, Delete... Exterminate.... hmmmm sound familiar huh....... yep that was me when i seen the Krankies was back on the thread lol RS, yeah the space between the now and now has to be the void. Ok the new series isnt accepting the fact but damn isnt it also where Omega ended up being after the catastrophic first attemp at time travel? hence yes a trap but none the less the doctor has been into the void on numerous occasions lol they could have used the void as an oppertunity to find a regenerated Romana and K9 had they wanted to apease the whovian masses but allas the new who wants to cut and paste elements of who history as it sees fit hell its almost as tho these new stories are all set in a parallel dimension when i think about it lol. P.S. Shamefully i do know thats his wife but at least i wasnt the first to remember it lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Megalith Posted July 18, 2006 Share Posted July 18, 2006 Another episode where the tardis is not in a materialising dematerialisng mode the title escapes me right now where part of the tardis ends up being jetisoned in order to save all the crews lives. i thought it was tom baker but i cant find it :( maybe it was davison, i know of course one of the guys here will know it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antilles Posted July 18, 2006 Share Posted July 18, 2006 Baker jettisoned Romanas room in Logopolis, and again Davison jettisoned the zero room (amongst others in 25% of the ship) in Castrovalva! Then makes a zero cabinet from the remaining panels, or something along those lines. There may be more but those are the only 2 I can think of! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Megalith Posted July 18, 2006 Share Posted July 18, 2006 lol no wonder i was getting confused huh :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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