xalloutwarx Posted July 16, 2006 Share Posted July 16, 2006 Is there any??? please discuss, i think there is something very interesting here! Also the Tzenkethi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenebrae Posted July 16, 2006 Share Posted July 16, 2006 Uh... why would there be? Is there a connection between the Romulans and the Ocampa? Damned if I know. I think you'll have to articulate a bit more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xalloutwarx Posted July 16, 2006 Author Share Posted July 16, 2006 from http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Tzenkethi "It has been suggested that the name 'Tzenkethi' might be a near-anagram of 'The Kzinti'. This has never been confirmed, however. They are referred to in the novel Articles of the Federation" looking around google it seems that the race known as "Kzinti" (http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Kzinti) were included in the Star Trek but "Unlike the other alien antagonists of "Star Trek", the Kzinti species were an original creation developed independently of the television production, well before their 1973 TAS appearance. Science-fiction author Larry Niven's Kzin were introduced as part of his "Known Space" universe in "The Warriors", a short-story published in 1966. Although Kzinti naming conventions were not explicitly discussed in "The Slaver Weapon", the naming conventions of the characters in the episode correspond to creator Larry Niven's descriptions of this in various stories. According to Niven, the Kzinti are not named at birth; they must earn their names through valorous deeds, typically that advance the interests of the Patriarchy. Unnamed Kzinti have lower status, and are referred to by the name of their profession, as was Telepath. Single named Kzinti have distinguished themselves in some manner. They often follow their awarded name with the name of their profession, as did Chuft Captain. Kzinti can accumulate multiple names if they continue to perform valorously. The Kzninti made no further appearance in Star Trek after TAS: "The Slaver Weapon", and a brief mention in "The Infinite Vulcan". A female felinoid seen in Star Trek V was referred to in backstage information as a "Kzinretti". Further, a star map seen in several TNG episodes has a planet on it named "Kzin", and an unseen species mentioned in DS9 "The Adversary" were called "Tzenkethi", a near-anagram of "The Kzinti." Im still trying to patch togther the info, im not asking people on here to work it out, but maybe people on this forum know the answers to match them all up already... saying me looking round for the answer (if any) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kzin Looks like The Kzin were used to something other than ST and then used in ST, and i read that the guy who "invented" the Kzinti didnt want ST to use it anymore or ST would have to pay a lot of money for the use of the Kzinti name... Earth had 3 wars with the Kzinti, that has been mentioned in ST cannon, but never have i heard the Xindi, i lost the link, but people claim that the Kzinti are the (or part of) the Xindi and "Tzenkethi" (It has been suggested that the name 'Tzenkethi' might be a near-anagram of 'The Kzinti') - cant find links to above so i dont really know what im on about, its all over the place at the moment, so thats why i asked on here maybe there is none Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TetsuoShima Posted July 16, 2006 Share Posted July 16, 2006 Well, I don't know either, it could be and then it could not be. I highly doubt this has been explicitly mentioned anywhere on any series. I also doubt that it is decidable with relative certainty out of other StarTrek 'facts'. I must admit it sounds alike Xindi and Kzinti, but even on Earth there are a lot of states that have names that sound alike, so in a whole universe, chances of that happening would not decrease I'd say... So it can go either way... imho Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GorunNova Posted July 16, 2006 Share Posted July 16, 2006 A lot of things are near-anagrams for a lot of other things... I don't think there's any real connection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vyperion Posted July 17, 2006 Share Posted July 17, 2006 There were only six species of xindi and none of them feline - Avain (extinct), Reptilian, Insectoid, Aquatic, Primate and Arboreals (the only one of the six I couldn't remember). I think they could potentially be sub-species or genetic cousins. Probably divided between the Kirk and Picard era. Or it could simply be a way to have a clone of the Kzinti in Star Trek without paying for the usage of the name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amnot Borg Posted July 17, 2006 Share Posted July 17, 2006 Being a Niven fan, the only mixing of the two "universes" was the animated ST, as far as I know. The Man-Kzin universe has lots of interesting things in it but no star fleet. The Kzin were pretty much the same as the Klingons or the Goa'uld's Jafah, a damned tough alien warrior race. If I had any money, it would be bet on the names (Xindi/Kzinti) being a coincidence. Other writers have created novels and plots that are used in Niven's Man-Kzin universe but I think they all have to be approved first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenebrae Posted July 17, 2006 Share Posted July 17, 2006 Kaled... Dalek? I don't see the connection. Oh, wait. I feel fairly confident that the Xindi would probably have noticed if a bunch of them were cat people. Please - NEAR anagrams? Anyway, speculation on this subject does seem pretty pointless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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