percy01 Posted March 24, 2005 Share Posted March 24, 2005 When I am watching to the Star trek series and I see what nice will be the future for the humanity ……I mean the human conscience……… I am very glad that we will be in the future a better human race, that we will help each other……..but DO YOU BELIEVE this ? Sorry but I don’t …..why not ? People working without a personal interesting, money doesn’t exit, help each others, human moral sense….and more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soulreaper Posted March 24, 2005 Share Posted March 24, 2005 Well, it IS possible - see the people in the startrek future don't THINK in the same manner as people do "now". Bad things like Extreme Ego, All-for-profit, murder, killing, theft etc. doesn't even EXIST within their vocabulary any more that's WHY that is possible. for an instance there are small areas/towns where people never lock their doors - why? they don't have to! Because the people they coexist with doesn't harness thoughts about breaking in into other peoples properties. This is a very simple explanation but if you'd care to consider it PROFOUNDLY you'll eventually understand. It's all a matter of "point of view", how you SEE life and on what level you keep your thinking, your morals and values. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karimw786 Posted March 24, 2005 Share Posted March 24, 2005 people have always sucked, people suck at the moment, and people will continue to suck in the 24th century and beyond! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
synexo Posted March 24, 2005 Share Posted March 24, 2005 All Star Trek takes place after the second coming of Jesus. Turns out he was a Vulcan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soulreaper Posted March 24, 2005 Share Posted March 24, 2005 LOL* Well, it's interesting how DS9 puts things in perspective: Quark and his fellows are what "humans used to be and they don't like us, they think we're greedy and corrupt" And the future humans are what Feregins used to be! Although because of evolved human influence, Ferengis are now reverting back into something "better" or "higher". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soulreaper Posted March 24, 2005 Share Posted March 24, 2005 people have always sucked, people suck at the moment, and people will continue to suck in the 24th century and beyond! That is one way of seeing things but it's not completly true. Many times I've found that it's a lack of self-awareness, general-awareness and responsability to be what makes people into "more" or "less". And please, DON'T mix up Resonponsability with Blame. If people didn't have the innate ability for great things and great thinking, we wouldn't have people like Ghandi, Buddha or Dalai Lama. I think Dalai Lama is a living statement of what everyone CAN be like - but it takes effort. Being in a "higher state" isn't something that comes freely, at least not as of yet. I have, just like I know Elderbear has, had to grow through struggle and grow through the innate lack within myself. For a very long time I was just another "Lemming" without any sense of "common sense", "awareness", "bad angermanagement" and completly without any sense of "responsability". Through an innate wish for growth and change, a tremendous digest of books and assorted things, I've taken myself (without sounding too-unmodest) to levels I couldn't even begin to hope/wish for nor even concieve in my wildest imagination and so if a former Extrem-lowlife amoeba like myself can excell, EVERYONE can. Good digest would be products / seminars from these people: Bob Harrison - http://www.increase.org/ Les Brown - http://www.lesbrown.com Brian Klemmer - http://www.klemmer.com/ All of these, I've personally met, talked with, shaken their hands, attended their seminars, gone through their stuff on self-improvement both CD and through Books (& live). So I can strongly recommend what they have to offer (of course everything isn't great, but it's a good foundation for boosting your "self" - and it's still necessary to think for yourSELF and having an open mind and not just accept/swallow everything without thinking twice). Neal Donald Walsch also has some goodies - http://www.cwg.org B) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vyper Posted March 25, 2005 Share Posted March 25, 2005 Cute... anyway: Evolution, people, evolution happens. We will change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VonHelton Posted March 28, 2005 Share Posted March 28, 2005 When I am watching to the Star trek series and I see what nice will be the future for the humanity ……I mean the human conscience……… I am very glad that we will be in the future a better human race, that we will help each other……..but DO YOU BELIEVE this ? Sorry but I don’t …..why not ? People working without a personal interesting, money doesn’t exit, help each others, human moral sense….and more No Percy...... 500 years from now, nothing will have changed. No futuristic cities or cars or aircraft. No space fleet, and we will still be in bondage to Middle East Oil. Govt's choose the path of least resistance, which is to remain on Earth. :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Relentless Posted March 28, 2005 Share Posted March 28, 2005 yep, totally. But of course not in the 100% likeness of it. -posted from dads laptop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinpusher Posted March 28, 2005 Share Posted March 28, 2005 No Percy...... 500 years from now, nothing will have changed. No futuristic cities or cars or aircraft. No space fleet, and we will still be in bondage to Middle East Oil. Govt's choose the path of least resistance, which is to remain on Earth. :( While it is true that governments do tend to choose the path of least resistance, and we are highly dependent upon middle east oil, it is irrational to believe that in 500 years nothing will have changed. For example, as demand for said middle east oil increases supply will decrease. As supply decreases price increases and populations rally for change. This is simple economics. The phrase, "Necessity is the mother of invention," holds true in this scenario. Thats is, that where there is sufficient need new breakthroughs in science and engineering lead to new inventions to fill that need. As for the issue of governments . . . well who knows on that. I can only hope that the populations of the world will eventually see the need for one earth governed by one socialist government, where everyones needs for food, clothing, shelter, education,and medical care are met. Where no child has to go to sleep hungry or cold, and where every living being has the resources necessary to pursue their dreams and goals. This will not, I am sure, happen in my life time or even in my sons life time. But eventually their will be peace in this world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maverick Posted March 28, 2005 Share Posted March 28, 2005 I am very glad that we will be in the future a better human race, that we will help each other……..but DO YOU BELIEVE this ? the way i see it is that things may have improved on the whole but starfleet is full of a bunch of people who actually belive in that stuff. there are people like that around at the moment, in this world, who are trying to improve things for others. volunteer workers who travel overseas. bashir's dad was a bit of a criminal. and im sure there are others. the question is, will there be reason for human nature to change? thats the big question. will living without money stop people wanting more? thats human nature. depends on individuals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dabrood Posted March 28, 2005 Share Posted March 28, 2005 The worldwide reaction to the big oil crisis coming in about 30 years (or earlier) will show al lot of things concerning the future of humanity. Right no, nobody cares about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mic Posted March 29, 2005 Share Posted March 29, 2005 I agree on some level, but say in 300 years time money want play such role as it does today, future is only going to be better and brighter, it always is... Don't worry be happy man :cyclops: :cyclops: :cyclops: :cyclops: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mezigues Posted March 31, 2005 Share Posted March 31, 2005 Well... I think it's pretty sure that it is our future! Why? For 2 major reasons: 1 the more pple on earth, the more it becomes like a fishtank and no one can pee anywhere without polluting the whole water 2 For some economical reasons, the differences of "evolution" and way of life of the different countries will vanish. And then, when we'll all buy the same cars and eat the same food, it may (at least I hope) kill the will to have a better car than the neighbour I hope I made myself clear: my english isn't so good as... I learnt it through Star Trek! (yeah, truly) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morlock Posted March 31, 2005 Share Posted March 31, 2005 25 years ago, I thought that we would be on a hydrogen economy by now. Nuclear fusion reactors would be used for electricity and only use oil for plastics & lubrication. Then the wrong people gain power and research into the technologies that could elevate us is replaced with policies to stymie those innovations and support the continued use of oil to line the pockets of thier backers. Enough venting, I think things will get worse before they get better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VonHelton Posted March 31, 2005 Share Posted March 31, 2005 25 years ago' date=' I thought that we would be on a hydrogen economy by now. Nuclear fusion reactors would be used for electricity and only use oil for plastics & lubrication. Then the wrong people gain power and research into the technologies that could elevate us is replaced with policies to stymie those innovations and support the continued use of oil to line the pockets of thier backers. Enough venting, I think things will get worse before they get better.[/quote'] We could've been running on fusion as early as the 70's, easy, but no one would listen. :mad: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mic Posted April 1, 2005 Share Posted April 1, 2005 When I am watching to the Star trek series and I see what nice will be the future for the humanity ……I mean the human conscience……… I am very glad that we will be in the future a better human race, that we will help each other……..but DO YOU BELIEVE this ? Sorry but I don’t …..why not ? People working without a personal interesting, money doesn’t exit, help each others, human moral sense….and more with all my hart :cyclops: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elderbear Posted April 2, 2005 Share Posted April 2, 2005 When I am watching to the Star trek series and I see what nice will be the future for the humanity ……I mean the human conscience……… I am very glad that we will be in the future a better human race, that we will help each other……..but DO YOU BELIEVE this ? Sorry but I don’t …..why not ? People working without a personal interesting, money doesn’t exit, help each others, human moral sense….and more No Percy...... 500 years from now, nothing will have changed. No futuristic cities or cars or aircraft. No space fleet, and we will still be in bondage to Middle East Oil. Govt's choose the path of least resistance, which is to remain on Earth. :( 500 years from now, something will have changed! We won't have fossil fuel oil left to burn. The real question is whether we will have organized alternative energy sources or allowed our civilization to collapse. And, yes, there will be "futuristic" stuff in 500 years if we don't collapse. Everything we take for granted now is stuff that would be too futuristic for somebody from 1505 to even begin to comprehend! We're not living in 1505's futurism, we're living in their inconceivable magic kingdom. If we stave off collapse, I'm sure that 2505 will strike us as even more magical ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phelpsaa Posted April 3, 2005 Share Posted April 3, 2005 I think that it is important to look at what Trek really means. My point is that if we don't believe that a future so bright is possible then it definately won't be. I agree that with our current states of selfishness, that that kind of progress seems impossible but maybe in the dark ages... our current situation seemed impossible. It is the ones who believe, that will make progress in the future happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDawgAMD Posted April 3, 2005 Share Posted April 3, 2005 The future could be a wonderful place. Unfortunatly, human nature being what it is, it will probably have to get really crappy first. Like in STNG when they showed the aftermath of the nuke wars. I hate to say it, but it will probably take something like that for our decendants to say "Lets not make the same mistakes". Thats when the altruism and concern for the common good will probably show up. :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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