vystral Posted April 5, 2005 Share Posted April 5, 2005 Why is there little or no human religion in Star Trek? I've always wondered that... I mean, obviously the writers didn't want to single out anyone; but its never been explained in the plot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wahaha Posted April 5, 2005 Author Share Posted April 5, 2005 They tried that in ST:5, it didn't go over too well. Sometimes they try to bring it up like when Data asks questions, but Picard is too busy to explain lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wahaha Posted April 5, 2005 Author Share Posted April 5, 2005 I just want to say that I know there is a state of life after this one. I encourage you to take this opportunity to experiment' date=' search to see if there is more to life than the matter we observe around us.[/quote'] I know there is life after this because of the experiences I've had. I had some things happening to me just as I drift to sleep. So I went online to research and found the answer. Later I tried some techniques and was able to experience something further. Anyone can do it with a little training. You don't have to wait until you're dead to know there is an afterlife and something more to come. Why do you think Jesus went without eating for 40 days. There's a reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daffydk Posted April 5, 2005 Share Posted April 5, 2005 Religion is the main reason why this world is in turmoil every religion is saying that there religion is the the true religion but all of them are after the money of their followers I have heard this from many people and in a way have become cliche' as well. However it should be addressed just the same. Its funny how I could argue the exact opposite. That it is religion that is keeping the world from boiling over to total chaos. For instance the moral code we know today was most likely brought by a particular religion. And I mean the basics and the biggest moral codes such as justice and goodness. Yet there are few that will pervert these codes and use them for their benefit. In fact many many governments, including the european, american and asian countries' penal code, social code and so on is tremendously affected by these moral codes. Now suppose these religions didnt exist and they never taught mankind the many virtues. Where would humanity be? Would they learn to be good anyway? I would say unlikely! I would say that man would have evolved and nurtured their most basic instincts from the very beginning...which are to follow its own desires, lust, greed, thirst for power&control, despair, helplessness and so on. All of which leads to a turmoil & destruction. Again as I have pointed out before, people use the action of a very few people to label a whole group. It takes one or two christians to bluow up a abortion clinic but that doesnt mean that millions and milllions of them should give up what they believe in. as an example, think of traffic laws (which you can imagine as an organized religion). IF there were no traffic laws and no fines. How many people would run stop signs? How many people would speed to unsafe proportions? How many people would always stop for children? How many people would not park in handicapped spaces? Now imagine how much turmoil you would have if billions of people didnt believe in goodness..and they didnt think they would be accountable for their actions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Byakero Posted April 5, 2005 Share Posted April 5, 2005 religion sucks BIG TIME!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oma Posted April 5, 2005 Share Posted April 5, 2005 How can anyone claim to know anything about a god or an afterlife since the basis is BELIEF? (and please let the answer be as short as the question - I'm anti-rant) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coolcat13 Posted April 5, 2005 Share Posted April 5, 2005 Oma How can anyone claim to know anything about a god or an afterlife since the basis is BELIEF? (and please let the answer be as short as the question - I'm anti-rant) you take it on faith to some degree.I think that it is better to believe in something than nothing . Hope is a driving force that keeps us going IMHO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wahaha Posted April 6, 2005 Author Share Posted April 6, 2005 Whether I believe atomic molecules exist or not exist doesn't change the fact that they do exist. Others have seen them even though I have not. Same can be said about the afterlife. Something is there but you just can't see it. I'm not saying I have seen a God that I can remember. Only that I have had experiences not being restricted to this body. Some day you might have the same experience, or you will have to wait until the last day to know. It will always be one person’s word against the other until the end if only one of them has had it happen to them. Personally I didn't go into these experiences having a religion.. they just happened and nothing religious happened in the experiences. I did interact with others and it was as real as life. You don't remember a dream in the kind of detail that I have of these experiences. What I really don't like is that some religions tell others that they will go to a bad place for not believing, or that you should not have sex just so you can preach to people and pretend to make others believe you don't have nasty thoughts. Will all the natives still prancing around half naked in the jungles suffer in a hell? I don't think a God or Jesus would blame them for not knowing he/she ever existed or walked the planet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the6ofpopes Posted April 6, 2005 Share Posted April 6, 2005 Today religion is one thing........good therapy!! Why else would they send ministers & priests to shrink schools. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c0g Posted April 6, 2005 Share Posted April 6, 2005 Lets suppose there was no God and we just all perished into nothing, no afterlife, no God to judge us, no one who created us in the beginning-therefore no one to be accountable to, Then logic would have it, that whether you believe in God or not, the outcome after you die will be the same. True, but the life lived is a better one to the atheist, as he gets to live a free life unshackled by irrational faith, or the yoke of organized religion. This is the Atheist reward you didn't consider in your equation. Many find that immediate freedom is better than the possibility of the pie in the sky, bye and bye. Some don’t believe in god simply because doing so exposes one to the risk of exploitation by religions. "The Church says the Earth is flat. But I know that it is round. For I have seen the shadow on the Moon. And I have more faith in a shadow than in the Church." --Magellan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elderbear Posted April 6, 2005 Share Posted April 6, 2005 religion sucks BIG TIME!!!!!!!!!!!!!! IMNSHO, sometimes it's even worse than that. Other times, it can be a powerful force for uniting a community, empowering the struggle against oppression, and personal growth/healing. I'm wondering if you'd be willing to share some of what lies behind your statement? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elderbear Posted April 6, 2005 Share Posted April 6, 2005 How can anyone claim to know anything about a god or an afterlife since the basis is BELIEF? (and please let the answer be as short as the question - I'm anti-rant) One can claim to know anything. That's not the problem. The real problem is that scientific empiricism is unable to address the question of the existence of God nor of the afterlife. (allthough further research may disprove the second half of that statement.) I believe on claims to know something about God/Gods/Goddess by interpreting personal experience. It would be foolish to debate the existence of the experience of the Divine - too many people have had such experiences. What is available for discussion and learning, is what these experiences mean. Too many mushrooms the night before? Divine contact? Archetypes rising into consciousness from the shadow? Telepathic contact with a more advanced race of beings? I just watched TNG3 "Who will watch the watches" - ep 4 - where Picard is considered a divine being. Only upon his "crucifixion" does it become clear to the culture that he is human. Only then are they redeemed from their misinterpretation of experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elderbear Posted April 6, 2005 Share Posted April 6, 2005 Will all the natives still prancing around half naked in the jungles suffer in a hell? I don't think a God or Jesus would blame them for not knowing he/she ever existed or walked the planet. Dude, you have got to get with the flow! Wait until you join a circle of pagans prancing around (half) naked and building a "cone of power." It is an entirely transcendent experience ... and doesn't usually happen in a jungle - more like a public park, a national forrest, or a suburban back yard. :D :o :p :cyclops: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elderbear Posted April 6, 2005 Share Posted April 6, 2005 Today religion is one thing........good therapy!! Why else would they send ministers & priests to shrink schools. And, conversely, therapists who learn to work with religion have a much larger tool-chest than those who have not. Some of my clients have been messed=up Christians. I use my knowledge of both psychology and the Bible to develop effective psychological interventions. Similarly, with Pagans, I have a lot to work with - but the pagan tool-chest is much larger for doing therapy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elderbear Posted April 6, 2005 Share Posted April 6, 2005 Lets suppose there was no God and we just all perished into nothing, no afterlife, no God to judge us, no one who created us in the beginning-therefore no one to be accountable to, Then logic would have it, that whether you believe in God or not, the outcome after you die will be the same. True, but the life lived is a better one to the atheist, as he gets to live a free life unshackled by irrational faith, or the yoke of organized religion. This is the Atheist reward you didn't consider in your equation. Many find that immediate freedom is better than the possibility of the pie in the sky, bye and bye. Some don’t believe in god simply because doing so exposes one to the risk of exploitation by religions. "The Church says the Earth is flat. But I know that it is round. For I have seen the shadow on the Moon. And I have more faith in a shadow than in the Church." --Magellan The problem with this approach is to allow traditional religion to set the agenda. I don't. I guess I'm a Christo-pagan Spiritual Humanist, with a smidge of Taoism and Zen tossed in for good measure. I am also an existential phenomenologist - realizing that we don't have the meaning of life handed to us. That meaning only becomes clear as we make choices. Our choices bind us to meaning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elderbear Posted April 6, 2005 Share Posted April 6, 2005 My great religion is a belief in the blood, the flesh, as being wiser than the intellect. We can go wrong in our minds. But what our blood feels and believes and says, is always true. The intellect is only a bit and a bridle. What do I care about knowledge? All I want is to answer to my blood, direct, without fribbling intervention of mind or moral, or what not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VonHelton Posted April 6, 2005 Share Posted April 6, 2005 As one who has studied the various religions of the world for over 25 years, let me pose a theory to you....... It's not one religion, it's all of them. Most religions speak of how difficult it is to get to Heaven/Vallhalla/Sumer Fields/etc........ Maybe it's difficult because your missing part of the puzzel? This would be especially true for atheiests, who can't seem to explain the various "contradictions" they find. Each religious belief contains nuggets of truth within them that allign perfectly with the nuggets in another. The nuggets are kept, the rest discarded.......Especially the dogma. This is repeated for every religion, until all that are left are the similarities. These nuggets are then read to figure out what is ultimate truth.......Especially concerning the "Last Days". :stare: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Byakero Posted April 6, 2005 Share Posted April 6, 2005 take a look at Israel people claim that it is the Holy Land Look what's happening to that country death and destruction everywhere even the children are bombers all in the name of their religion!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c0g Posted April 6, 2005 Share Posted April 6, 2005 As one who has studied the various religions of the world for over 25 years, let me pose a theory to you....... I guess I'm a Christo-pagan Spiritual Humanist' date=' with a smidge of Taoism and Zen tossed in for good measure. I am also an existential phenomenologist [/quote'] Religion salad is just another form of collecting, might as well be comic books, or shiny rocks for that matter. When it comes to knickknack patchwork religions, or the conmen/guru’s who spin them, my neck of the woods is lousy with ‘em. They have a free newspaper available at every coffee shop that lists at the very least 5,000 different New Age consultant/specialist/providers/guru/therapist/etc… Everywhere I go I see Biodynamic - Aquarian - neuZen - Yogini - Neo Pagan – Essential – Goddess – Holistic - Crystal – Shamanic – Psychic - New Aged – Vegan – Priest/Priestess’s who Drive one of their 75,000 Dollar SUV’s to their Chiropractic Inner Aroma Therapy Drumming Workshops while feeling really, really good about themselves for not being coned by organized religion like all those inbred idiots that make up the entire Midwest. If you can’t find it in your self, you won’t find it in any number of Religions. "Religion is the fashionable substitute for belief." -- Oscar Wilde Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oma Posted April 6, 2005 Share Posted April 6, 2005 How can anyone claim to know anything about a god or an afterlife since the basis is BELIEF? (and please let the answer be as short as the question - I'm anti-rant) One can claim to know anything. That's not the problem. The real problem is that scientific empiricism is unable to address the question of the existence of God nor of the afterlife. (allthough further research may disprove the second half of that statement.) I believe on claims to know something about God/Gods/Goddess by interpreting personal experience.(...) Great - then I claim to know that no god/gods/godess exist (based on my personal experience, of course). I am smiling now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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