Religion

[c0g]

OK, I've been taking potshots at everybody else on this thread with out exposing my self. You’ve shown me yours; I’ll show you mine. You can even touch it if you want to…

 

 

I found this Nugget lurking inside of Sales Brochure #13013.

Short Duration Personal Savior or Shar-duper-save â„¢

 

Here’s how it works.

Simply believe in what works best for you at that time. If at any time it doesn’t work, let it go. No stigma. I think a lot of people are held back from exploring their spiritual beliefs because they are afraid of making a big life long commitment.

 

With Shar-duper-save â„¢ you are freed to fully and totally Believe in something, anything, for a millisecond, or the rest of your life(s). Why hold onto a faith that no longer works? Why avoid a Faith because it may prove false in the future, if it is fulfilling now?

 

Everyone does this in his or her life, but most don’t knowingly hone it into a useful skill. With a little practice, you can jump totally and irrevocably into an Absolute Belief so all encompassing that the thought of ever giving it up is painful. At least until you shed your spiritual chrysalis and fly away home.

 

Shar-duper-save ™ is a tool of exploration, not just for religion, but also for any experience that requires the suspension of disbelief and a leap of faith. Like Reading the newspaper, merging in freeway traffic, or enjoying Sci-Fi…

 

Go ahead and Try It!

Just for a little while

 

[Soulreaper]

Ever considered that many things are like the wind?

You can feel it's presence, see it's effects but you don't actually "see" the wind it self.

 

Another point is that many people don't trust what they can't comprehend - what one should question oneself is whether it's "My own in-ability to see and comprehend" that's holding me back instead of only deeming things true or false, existing / non-existing based on a person's singular, often limited vision (by the obvious reasons).

 

Many times (like 9/10) it's a person's lack of or thought-impairdness that keeps him/her back or blinded.

I think people would do themselves a favor by not judging to quickly and rather being ready to dare to walk beyond their current level (all levels, all fields).

 

But sure, whatever the issue may be, it's always more comfortable to just remain where you're at.

Often, this is a way of self-protection both consciensly and un-consciensly. I'll expand later on this issue ("Core Beliefs").

As this also crosses over into other fields related, I'd just like to point out that this is related to the behavior of rather blaming and pushing over responsability to other factors than oneself - but be clear on this, there are NEVER any other factors than oneself, ever.

 

 

[Soulreaper]

Each religious belief contains nuggets of truth within them that allign perfectly with the nuggets in another.

 

The nuggets are kept, the rest discarded.......Especially the dogma. This is repeated for every religion, until all that are left are the similarities. These nuggets are then read to figure out what is ultimate truth.......Especially concerning the "Last Days".

 

Very good! Couldn't say it better my self.

 

If you can’t find it in your self, you won’t find it in any number of Religions.

 

Of course it is so, which should be obvious for everyone, though unfortunatly it is not.

 

take a look at Israel

 

 

people claim that it is the Holy Land

 

Look what's happening to that country

 

death and destruction everywhere

 

even the children are bombers

 

all in the name of their religion!!!!

 

Yes, amazing isn't it? Should tell you something about the level of Holiness there is around there...

and perhaps something about Christianity?

 

 

Oma, my Danish brother, remember this?

"I refuse to believe that the Afterlife is run by you, Q!

The Universe can't be that badly constructed" /Picard

 

Where of course the statement that life can't be that badly architected is a good thought! I agree with Picard on that one.

To me it seems awkward would that be the case, but of course based on your experiences what we know as of yet may not even be close to "reality", however it doesn't exclude the possibility that there IS something else we just don't "know" yet.

 

*off topic*

Now I'll be away for quite a while since my computer has broken down into little bits and pieces, so no one here will hear from me until I've been able to fix it.

So these are my proverbial lasts words (how ironic(!!)) - for now.

 

Take care everyone and keep up the G O (O) D debates and bring some HOPE to one another.

(If and when I can, I'll try to get that self-stuff up in a topic)

/Andreas

 

 

[elderbear]

I found this Nugget lurking inside of Sales Brochure #13013.

 

Short Duration Personal Savior or Shar-duper-save â„¢

 

Here’s how it works.

Simply believe in what works best for you at that time. If at any time it doesn’t work, let it go. No stigma. I think a lot of people are held back from exploring their spiritual beliefs because they are afraid of making a big life long commitment.

 

With Shar-duper-save â„¢ you are freed to fully and totally Believe in something, anything, for a millisecond, or the rest of your life(s). Why hold onto a faith that no longer works? Why avoid a Faith because it may prove false in the future, if it is fulfilling now?

 

Everyone does this in his or her life, but most don’t knowingly hone it into a useful skill. With a little practice, you can jump totally and irrevocably into an Absolute Belief so all encompassing that the thought of ever giving it up is painful. At least until you shed your spiritual chrysalis and fly away home.

 

Shar-duper-save ™ is a tool of exploration, not just for religion, but also for any experience that requires the suspension of disbelief and a leap of faith. Like Reading the newspaper, merging in freeway traffic, or enjoying Sci-Fi…

 

Go ahead and Try It!

Just for a little while

 

Sounds like an electronic monk!

[dunc]

Thanks guys, i left sask. and am in b.c. now with my momma *sniff*. She is on the whole heaven thing, which i will not dissuade her.

 

I don't think my brother quite understands, but he seems alright.

 

And anybody hear of crystalogy or somthing like that? My Aunt wanted to offer the memorial service in that form, but i think Dad would roll in his grave if we let that happen.

[fds71]

There is no god. God is a creation of the human mind to fulfill the insatiable urge of total control. God was created to control the unknown and unmanagable.

Prove it! ;)

[appsappy]

everybody believe in something what ever it is we all have our own GOD

[Oma]

everybody believe in something what ever it is we all have our own GOD

No - some of us have no god or belief in an afterlife.

And we like it like that. :)

[TheRenegade]

Just trying to stir the pot a bit, but to all the people who say they are Atheist. I order to say "I don't beleive in God" is that not verifying his belief? You are refusing to believe in something that you say does not exist and therefore does not need to be believed in. Sounds kind of backwards to me.

 

In my humble opinion, in order to refuse to beleive that something does not exist, you first need to acknowledge the possibility that it does. :p

[Oma]

Dude, I said "have no god" - not "I don't belive in God".

 

EDIT: Just so you don't misunderstand - I do not believe in any god/ godlike entity. Not souls either. I cannot prove I am right - you cannot prove me wrong (and vice versa).

[tinpusher]

Personally, it is my belief that religion nay in fact god, was a fabrication of early humans to help to explain that which they could not. For example;

 

Early Human 1: Where big mountain come from?

 

Early Human 2: (Scratches head) Me no know. Must be Miracle

 

Early Human 1: What mean miracle?

 

Early Human 2: Miracle when god do things.

 

Early Human 1: What mean god?

 

Early Human 2: God, man in sky who make rain for crops and make big light after dark time.

 

Early Human 1: Oh, Ok.

 

Now, all of that being said, It is not my intention to demoralize, or in anyway put down anyones faith. I am simply sharing my personal beliefs on the subject. Those beliefs simply put are that god did not create Man in his image but rather that Man created god in his.

[Oma]

Personally, it is my belief that religion nay in fact god, was a fabrication of early humans to help to explain that which they could not

(...)

 

I believe religions have been created by wise men (or women) who saw the need for order. By making people belive that someone will punish them for misdeeds then people more often choose to be nice.

So we needed religion to become civilized - but (imho)we need to get rid of religion in order to stay civilized.

[synexo]

There is no god. God is a creation of the human mind to fulfill the insatiable urge of total control. God was created to control the unknown and unmanagable.

 

There is God. God is the word people use to refer to their religeons anthropomorphised idea of the abstract entity manifested by the myriad interactions in the whole of space-time.

 

Ontogeny recapitulating phylogeny from the slightest quantum fluctuations on up to the structure of the multiverse, all infused with one divine iterative pattern.

[Oma]

Dunno - but I think atheist is being used as agnosticist - I know I do (in the strictest sense I'm agnostic).

 

EDIT: Well, I think my dictionary screwed me over - I'm an atheist (if that's the one where you do not believe in anything whatsoever.)

[carcynsdad]

I try to keep an open mind since having my experiences' date=' but Christianity isn't one of them. It's too harsh for me.[/quote']

 

A very sad statement, since the Founder was a gentle and tender human being, full of empathy and compassion. Whatever harshness you've experienced comes from a perversion of what Jesus taught. The ironic thing is that if you can have love and compassion for those harsh and/or dogmatic people claiming to be Christ-ian, you're acting more Christ-like than they ...

 

B)

 

well put, those who enforce the word of god are seldom following the path

[werecow]

I try to keep an open mind since having my experiences' date=' but Christianity isn't one of them. It's too harsh for me.[/quote']

 

A very sad statement, since the Founder was a gentle and tender human being, full of empathy and compassion. Whatever harshness you've experienced comes from a perversion of what Jesus taught. The ironic thing is that if you can have love and compassion for those harsh and/or dogmatic people claiming to be Christ-ian, you're acting more Christ-like than they ...

 

B)

 

well put, those who enforce the word of god are seldom following the path

 

i agree completely and wholeheartly....if ever the truth were told that is it....listen to what he said (Christ) not what someone else said he meant...

[elderbear]

everybody believe in something what ever it is we all have our own GOD

 

I'm dyslexic - I have a DOG.

 

Does it make me a polytheist if I have TWO DOG?

 

B)

 

One is brown and big, the other is black and little. Both are rescues. Both are wonderful with BAD habits. Little black one likes to chew up stuff in the house. Brown one digs up the yard.

 

I wouldn't revert to an un-holey yard and un-chewed house if it meant parting with my GODS!

 

B)

 

Let the one who hath two ears hear and the two who hath one nose see, and let them who say in their hearts, "There is no DOG," repent!

[Symok]

I believe in God. His name is Cheese `an he kicked my butt.

 

Just kidding. But brownie points for anyone who knows that thats from ;)

 

Actually, I'm an atheist. I just finished writing a slightly rambling post on the topic of gay rights/religion on a different forum, so I'll just leave it at that this time :D

 

Edit: Ok, what the hell. I might as well throw this into the mix:

300 proofs of God's existance

[daffydk]

Edit: Ok, what the hell. I might as well throw this into the mix:

300 proofs of God's existance

 

I must say is some of the most illogical and self serving material I have read in a long time.

 

I hadnt realized it but it seems Atheism has become such a huge religion in and out of itself. And I dont know wether I should pity them or feel offended (at the claims in the website-atheism may have different versions). Specificaly because they devour science like it is their personel property and anyone with any other religion are not only against it but have no part in it.

 

They claim that people of other religions (christians are singled out most of the time) always believe that God does a certain action while WE (THE INTELLECTUALS) believe that there is a NATURAL cause and therefore investigate why something happens.

In their long paper "why atheism" which I spent alot of time reading, they dont once give the idea that maybe there are religions is compatable with science.

They focus on some instances like Galileo's and other scientists struggle against the 400 year old church leaders , and therefore they claim christianity is anti science.

 

Have they ever thought that maybe God is working through Natural ways in the world? Or rather what we call luck or inspirations or something else.

 

For instance If you search for a cause using science, there is always a cause for something. And then a cause for that cause.. You want to know why the wind blows in a certain direction? well why does wind blow to begin with? why does different pressure systems arise in the atmosphere.. where does heat come from.. why does the sun shower us with heat, why does the sun have heat? why is fusion reactions generate heat? why do protons have positive charges???

 

An atheist scientist would say there is an infinite "natural' reasons . And that might be true. But then at the end of infinity, there is yet another cause.. and that a God believing scientist would say is God.

 

And remember Star Trek is not anti God since there is lots of references in many of the episodes that leaves the question of wether there is such an entity.. Q was one of them.. who could change any natural phenomenon, even the atomic mass or charge of a substance. Therefore star trek leaves the question of God open since there could be an entity far supreme that could have just made everything the way it is...including scientific laws.

 

As I said a while back.. Rejecting God is a dangerous path since they are really defending NOTHING (no God) and yet if by any chance they are wrong, they are setting themselve up for a surprise. Whilei people who simply believe in God dont have anything to Lose if there is Nothing.

 

The focus should not be to REJECT God but to have a dialogue in order to find a common ground and some road towards the Truth.

 

 

[DSWIceman]

I put Christianity, but I like the response:

"It's against my relationship (with Jesus) to have a religion" :)