The TimeLord War

[coolcat13]

I have a sneaking suspicion this was the work of the Daleks .

[Robotdoll]

Since Genesis, the Daleks have lost their edge, and they're not nearly the galactic threat they once were. I expect we'll see a new enemy responsible for this.

 

Two points tho-

 

1) What sort of massive history-making conflagration must it have been for it to be remembered five billion years in the future? I mean, the tree lady knew who the timelords were, that it was a shame that it happened, yet none of them seem to know much about the very planet they came from? (I guess that's not all too surprising - how many of us can name all the original member of the Federation, but can't name, say, all five member of the UN security council?)

 

2) How great is it that fans have not risen up and called for a fatwa on the new producers of Doctor Who for all the changes they've made? I mean, we all wanted John Nathan Turner's head back in the 80's for what he did to the Doctor, but now the changes are met with interest and curiosity, not scream of torture and claims of castration.

 

'bot

[mcant]

The Time Lords themselves, no idea how, but peoples normally destroy themselves

[wisdomkale]

If you consider canon, then I think the war could also be with the Vampires, as it was with The Great Vampire who led the attack against the Timelords originally and then other factions of vamps again in book form with the Fourth, Fifth and Eighth Doctor.

Remember that Vampires have a 98% genetic match with Timelords. (Goth Opera - New Adventures, Virgin Publishing)

[shawn]

it's kinda funny... I don't remember any calls for JNT's head...

I know I want RTD's to a certain extent... In some ways the new show is great, but they've destroyed so much of what made the past series great...

 

I know many fans who are not happy with the new show, but we're all waiting to see how it plays out...

 

I want to see how Eccles run ends, but its was crappy he only did a year... my guess was that this was a plan by RTD to draw people in next year...

 

sorry that was OT...

I believe someone other than the Daleks did this... I think we'll see them on the run, too... just about episode 6, I believe...

either way, RTD's guarenteed that many will be watching...

[coolcat13]

The Time Lords always considered the Daleks a grave threat . remember that they sent the Dr to destroy the Daleks right at thier time of creation so maybe they knew ?

 

should be interesting though . i would watch out for the surprise alliance here there may be collusion between two of the Time Lords enemies .

 

still in ep 1 it sounded like a galactic war with many on both sides remember that the Autons were allied with the Time Lords as well as many others apparently havent seen ep 3 yet still downloading it dont know if there was any more on the topic or not

[fetasigma]

If we really want to get serious about cannon, since when has continuity really been a big thing in doctor who. If your a good follower of the series you know that things can change from episode to episode, doctor to doctor, just whatever makes the plot line convient at the time...

just love it for what it is. as for the great enemy i agree with the galactic war idea, although i wouldnt rule out someone like the master and the daleks bieng behind the scheme altogether.

[coolcat13]

In ep 3 they talk about a time war . now this leads me to believe that it was not indeed the Daleks but possiably an army led by The Black Guardian or the Master or The Vampires or even Omega

[Antilles]

The Daleks did possess Time technology too, so theres no ruling them out either, but I agree on some points, that it would have to be a mix of old and new foes to satisfy both generations.

 

Gawd I just read that back, Im now considering myself the 'other' generation.....where did I put my zimmer!! :)

[tinpusher]

The enemies responsible for the destruction of Gallifrey are The Master, and The Daleks. Remember that in "Curse of the Fatal Death" The Master gave the Daleks the Zectronic Beam.

LOL

Just Kidding, seriously though, I think that if the Daleks were not solely responsible then they were at least involved.

I guess we will just have to wait and see.

[DoctorWhoops]

This time War concept seems to me to be the Doctor Who equivalent of DC Comics Crisis On Infinite Earths. A chance to clean out anything that the present production team feel is outmoded or out dated from continuity.

 

As well as the Timelords, I think we will find that Davros (If he is even mentioned) will have died in this war too.

 

I reckon The Daleks fried Gallifrey, we will definitely get more info on this in Ep 6. Interestingly enough The Dalek appears to be alone, possibly also the last of its kind?

 

Also a certain amount of retconning is going on The Doctor's new age is apparently 900, whereas the 7th claimed to be 953, and the Eighth (In the novels) is roughly 1200 years old.

 

This probably means that certain events have been wiped from the timeline or completely revised, and only The Doctor remembers how these things once were, or maybe he doesn't.

 

The Soldiers in next weeks ep, do not bear UNIT insignias and Nicholas Courtney has not been asked to reprise his role, (mind you he is 70 !) So who knows?

 

Perhaps it means that the Dinosaur invasion never happened, that might not be a bad thing! ;)

[scalderwood]

First, I'd imagine when the Doctor says he's 900, he is likely rounding the number. But again, age seems to be relative. How do you measure a year when you are time travelling?

 

Second, the TimeLord War is the subject of the last 8th Doctor Book called "Gallifrey Chronicles". It is slated for a June release - I've already pre-ordered my copy through Amazon. :)

 

Third, the TimeLord War could've taken place 5.5 billion years into the future. There's no reason why it couldn't have. We also have to remember that in the original series (or perhaps it was a book?), that Rassilon moved Gallifrey outside of time itself, so to protect it - that way Gallifrey could only be accessed via a time machine (of course, this causes a problem with Invasion of Time (which happens to be my favorite story), since the Sontarans don't have time travel, nor do the Vardans). Whoever did get into Gallifrey, had to get past both the Transduction Barrier and the Quantum Forcefields.

 

Fourth, the "Time War" referred to in the Unquiet Dead might be different from the war that wiped out the Time Lords. Then again, that may be too much hair splitting for the new series. :)

 

Okay, I'm done proving how much of a Doctor Who nerd I am.

[DoctorWhoops]

First' date=' I'd imagine when the Doctor says he's 900, he is likely rounding the number. But again, age seems to be relative. How do you measure a year when you are time travelling?. [/quote']

 

Trust me Russell Davies is intentionally retconning the Doc's age in the interests of keeping things simple, he's the 9th and he's 900.

 

Second, the TimeLord War is the subject of the last 8th Doctor Book called "Gallifrey Chronicles". .....

Third, the TimeLord War could've taken place 5.5 billion years into the future. There's no reason why it couldn't have.

 

yes and no the aim of the Gallifrey Chronicles is to tidy up the books continuity so that it complements the new series, and doesn't contradict it. AFAIK the events depicted in the book are not a direct account of what's happened before "Rose."

 

A Time War would surely take place in the past, present, and future, after all it's a Time war.

 

 

Fourth, the "Time War" referred to in the Unquiet Dead might be different from the war that wiped out the Time Lords. Then again, that may be too much hair splitting for the new series. :) .

 

Not at all the books have to fit round the tv show not the other way round, otherwise the tail wags the dog.

 

Okay, I'm done proving how much of a Doctor Who nerd I am.

 

If you're a nerd then so am I! :) And with the help of the new show, we shall spawn a new generation and take over the world! Chuckles evilly*

[CrusadrMoron]

Voted for The Master.

 

While he may have been a psychic worm on the same level as Jason Vorhees as of his last televised appearance he still had menace.

 

Looking like a Flash Gordan villian it was his actions that made him so hatefully groovy. B)

 

-Off Topic Stupidity begins NOW-

It would be neat if they gave him a Matrix edge with all sorts of martial prowness. So he'd really be 'The Master' like some Shaw Bros crazed martial artist except with the ability to kill you five days ago.

Also it would add a tenous Buckaroo Bonzai link since he might have masquraded (Spelling wrong taking the phoned in yet honest excuse of being sleepy) as the leader of the World Crime Syndicate.

-Off topic stupidity done with move along citizen-

[Recoilzed]

How about the Valiyard....

 

The final Doctor Reincarnation.

 

And I though I knew something about who.....I'm just a rookie :(

 

Great discussion folks keep it coming

[coolcat13]

I still think that collusion may exist .It is entirely possiable that it is a new enemy helped out by a former enemy . also I wonder if there is the possiability that the Dr can change the course of events and still save Gallifrey although that would violate the laws of time but hey theres no one left to enforce those rules are there ?

[Antilles]

...although that would violate the laws of time....

 

Probably more likely to violate the laws of the BBC! :D

[starcrunch]

In all seriousness, I got to thinking and maybe the time lords tried to put the Doctor on trial again and he just got fed up.

He could be upset because he feels guilty.

But in all likelihood anyways I choose to go with the Daleks for now. It would be cool if it has something to do with the new Doctor's regeneration, since there was,and is no explanation for that either

[vja150870]

To be completely honest with you, I think that the Daleks are just too obvious a culprit for the destruction of the time lords. The Time Lords have shown that they have an ability to take a planet or species out of the picture entirely, and the will to use it (for example, Earth in "Trial of A Time Lord", the home world of the Fendahleen "Image of the Fendahl" and the planet that orbited between Mars & Jupiter "Hand of Fear").

 

To my mind, with all the defenses that the Gallifreyans would have erected, given the proliferation of enemies they faced, the attack would have had to have been started from INSIDE their ranks (a civil war, perhaps?). The most obvious candidate would then boil down to a deliberate act by a Time Lord who wanted to be President Eternal, a resurrected Omega (remember him?) or possibly even something as simple as a mistake..... Nah, I think I'll stick with Omega. He would have had enough of a secret, cult following that he could easily have swayed sufficient numbers of Time Lords to rebel.

 

But whatever my opinion, the way that storylines twist and turn these days, it could easily have been the Doctor (DON'T KILL ME!!!!!) :o

[NiteShdw]

I'm completely unfamiliar with Dr. Who, I've only watched the 2 new episodes.

 

But since The Doctor can obviously travel to any point in time, why can't he go back and save his own world from destruction? Or even go back and tell some friends and have them come along to save the race?