BorisP Posted April 9, 2005 Share Posted April 9, 2005 As far as damages people, well, sexual energy, especially for males since semen is usually released, can indeed at times slow ones path towards "enlightentment" by dissapating energy, if one is on that path. I'm sure you are aware that's why many serious seekers often times go celibate for a while, while they are "seeking". I'm not sure if I'd call that damaging tho. It's simply a lowering of what in India/Yoga, is called Prana, or life force, same as Ki. This dissapation, can slow the progress or nip in the bud the actions of Kundalini, which lies dormant in us all (according to Hindi thought). Again, I don't think I'd call that damaging tho, perhaps "retardation of progress of." U don't know how much I needed to read this. It is like a life preserver to a drowning man. As other readers can see, this unknown to me person just posted that in India they believe that losing semen causes loss of life force energy. That is science. That is a reasonable, educated statement to make. The man called me no names, did not attack me personally. This is how you talk to people if you want to resolve a misunderstanding and exchange information. To answer your point about damaging. I would call loss of life force damaging. But in addition to that, the physical body will experience changes that I have described. Blind in one eye, a bad/weak arm and leg, symptoms of asthma, heart attack, stomach problems, anxiety, Alzheimers and many other illnesses. I am not a researcher with a staff and a big budget. I cannot explain why these affects happen to some people and not all people. There might be a person who has sex 10 times a day and is in the best health. But on the average, for the majority of people, they will experience the health symptoms I mentioned above. If we take groups of people associated with frequent sexual activity, say people involved with pornography or homosexual people or people who masturbate excessively, then these groups do indeed show a high incidence of the symptoms listed above. Synexo: Yes I am totally serious. Yes you might have caught me doing something I shouldn't. ;) But that does not mean I am not serious or correct in my claims. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
synexo Posted April 9, 2005 Share Posted April 9, 2005 As other readers can see, this unknown to me person just posted that in India they believe that losing semen causes loss of life force energy. That is science. That is a reasonable, educated statement to make. BorisP, regarding your above statement, I have to argue a bit on what you are considering to be 'science'. While it is a 'reasonable, educated statement' to communicate that you are aware that in India they believe losing semen causes loss of life force energy, the belief itself (that losing semen causes loss of life force energy) is not something held to be a scientific fact. Furthermore, to become a scientific fact would require that something known as a 'life force energy' be discovered. While a certain amount of energy might be exhausted in the process of reaching orgasm and ejaculating, that energy would be lost due to generating body heat through normal metabolic processes. I'm not aware of any scientific medical evidence, i.e. a clinical study, which shows that there are any negative health effects do to excessive ejaculation. In fact I've recently heard of results to the contrary, showing that men who mastrubate regularly in their 20's have a lower risk of prostate cancer. However I would concede that excessive, compulsive masturbation or sexual activity would be considered a form of psychological illness. I point this out because I've noticed in a number of your posts your refer to ideas which really are philosophical as if they were scientific. I don't mean to say that this completely negates your arguments, as I actually agree with some of the spirit of what you are saying. I do think however that you are in danger of falling victim to pseudo-scientific thinking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
synexo Posted April 9, 2005 Share Posted April 9, 2005 Homosexuality is associated with ill health in people. Period. Factual statement. When you donate blood or blood plasma, they ask you if you are a man that has ever had sex with a man, or if you are a woman who has had sex with a man who has had sex with man. They also ask if you've visiting england or one of several dozen other countries, had a blood transfusion, etc... I would be curious if anybody has any thoughts on whether or not this is improper discrimination. If there is an actual increased risk which can be statistically demonstrated that a homosexual will be more likely to donate contaminated blood, is it wrong to discriminate against them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c0g Posted April 9, 2005 Share Posted April 9, 2005 Cog. Why are you bringing that political mealy mouth junk into a science discussion? Pretend this is science class' date=' not FOX news.[/quote'] What is with you BorisP? You say science science scienc, what do you think that word means? Because All I see from you is baseless conjecture. If you believe in science, use the scientific method to demonstrate a foundation for even a single one of your ideas. You can't do that can you? I say that you are making it up so that you can prove me wrong. But all you do is act hurt. What does that have to do with science? Cog. What do you know about the concept of a human being having a female and a male half? That if everyone has a female and a male half, than everyone is gay… BorisP, Despite your claims or your efforts, you have totally failed to prove that homosexuality is a sickness or an illness. You have said that I cannot prove through scientific means that homosexuality is beneficial. Once again you are wrong. You want proof? Here it is: I hold each and every one of these statements to be both self-evident, and independently verifiable: In a beehive, only one couple breeds. Every other member of their nation works for the protection of these offspring. This is an extremely effective arrangement used by multiple colonial insect species. In any species, one mated pair raising multiple offspring consumes fewer resources than multiple mated pairs each raising one offspring. Each pair that does not breed frees up unused resources, while still contributing to the over all advantage of the group. Many advanced mammals like wolves use this tactic, where only one or two pairs breed, while the entire pack helps to raise the offspring. In every species of mammal ever observed, sexual contact between individuals of the same sex are known to occur. Homosexuals contribute to and promote the survival of the various species that produce this behavior by contributing to the likelihood of survival of breeder’s offspring. From a gay doctor treating an adolescent illness, to a gay teacher supplying survival skills to youth, to a gay farmer growing food. Or for that matter; a gay dolphin fighting off sharks, or a gay wolf regurgitating part of the kill back at the den for pups, or a gay monkey acting as lookout for the troop while mothers feed. Being a productive member of a species while asking nothing for your own offspring is a major contribution to the chances of species wide survival. This selfless act provides relief of habitat pressures by limiting competition within the species for resources needed for the rearing of offspring. So, although reproductive sex is between a male and a female, it is more likely that the offspring will survive to breeding age thanks to the contributions made by homosexual non breeding pairs or individuals within the over all population. Any individual member of a species that is contributing to the over all survival of that species is directly benefiting the entire species. Therefore Homosexual behavior is beneficial. Ta Dah! Proof a posteriori… Now that’s science….. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c0g Posted April 9, 2005 Share Posted April 9, 2005 When you donate blood or blood plasma, they ask you if you are a man that has ever had sex with a man, or if you are a woman who has had sex with a man who has had sex with man. They also ask if you've visiting england or one of several dozen other countries, had a blood transfusion, etc... I would be curious if anybody has any thoughts on whether or not this is improper discrimination. If there is an actual increased risk which can be statistically demonstrated that a homosexual will be more likely to donate contaminated blood, is it wrong to discriminate against them? This is with the intent of screening HIV&STD's. They should be screening based on promiscuity, not sexual preference. The "HIV high risk groups†is arbitrary, and once included Haitians, until it was determined that the conditions of poverty not race spread the disease in that country. Some say that AIDS was introduced by the world health organization to try to exterminate blacks. If that were true, it sure would go a long way towards explaining why Hattie, the only Black nation outside of Africa was so heavily infected with AIDS so early on in the Disease’s spread…. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BorisP Posted April 9, 2005 Share Posted April 9, 2005 Hiya synexo! What is really interesting to me is the bit about "It is not accepted scientific fact that people lose energy by losing semen". This is where the problem is. Western science does not beleive it. Indian science does. Who is right? I say the Indians are right or closer to being right. But if a person refuses to entertain the possiblity the Indians are right, what do we do? How do we resolve the situation? You say the Indians can't be right from what I believe is ignorance. You have not personally tested their theories to see if they are true or not. You are relying on the pronouncements of people you trust. I say those people cannot be trusted and are wrong. That stuff about regular masturbation prevents prostate cancer really irks me. It brings out the conspiracy side of things. I think they are telling people to masturbate on purpose so that they make themselve sick and weak and powerless. Did you know there are no coincidences? I ran across a story that describes the extreme lengths that ancient chinese people would go to in order to avoid ejaculation. I will post a link to it later. Right now I got that video I was telling you about. It is not scientific proof. It describes in a very general way why homosexuality is associated with a lopsided body. A non bilaterally symmetric body. http://www.angrypenis.org/HappehSunday/Masturbation/Lopsided/LopsidedModifiedSmall.avi The video is 15 megs DivX video MPEG 3 audio I did a voiceover on it to describe what is going on. It is like a little warning video on TV. ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c0g Posted April 9, 2005 Share Posted April 9, 2005 http://www.angrypenis.org/HappehSunday/Masturbation/Lopsided/LopsidedModifiedSmall.avi BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAhahahahahahahahah!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c0g Posted April 9, 2005 Share Posted April 9, 2005 heee. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAhahhaahahahahahah!!!!!! hee, hee,.... sorry bout that. rolling on the floor.. ha, hee, hee This is the greatest thing I have ever seen... Can I show this to Friends? Snicker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elderbear Posted April 9, 2005 Author Share Posted April 9, 2005 You gotta admit tho, that in Elderbears avatar, he looks kinda cute tho.... ... hi there big guy.... hehehehe Hey! Where's the emoticon for {BLUSH}? I'm very, very flattered, but also very, very spoken for ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weyoun Posted April 9, 2005 Share Posted April 9, 2005 People are so easily led it make me ill. You are talking about that "homosexuality is in nature" stuff just like they said on TV. Anyone can get on TV. Look at Ashlee Simpson. She is a lip sync singer who is sold to the public as a singer. She got caught on SNL lip syncing a song. But she is still goes around playing "live" concerts. People on TV are liars who will lie about anything. You must learn to think on your own. You must realize that people who do not have your best interests at heart will tell you what you want to hear or what best serves their interests. No. I am talking about things like: Homosexual Behaviour: A Modern Reappraisal. Here is a link to some of the information about it. I could not find a whole version of the book online. http://www.vexen.co.uk/human/homosexuality.html#Natural Homosexuality is associated with ill health in people. Period. Factual statement. Here is some information from some actual STUDIES that goes more or less to the contrary, though it does show both sides of the arguement. I'll quote some for you. Karen Hooker executed the first psychological test done to test for biological determinism in 1957, on a grant from the National Institute of Mental Health [2]. The study was meant to explore the relationship between homosexuality and psychological development and illness. Hooker studied both homosexuals and heterosexuals. Both groups were matched for age, intelligence quotient (IQ) and education level, and were then subjected to three psychological tests. These three tests, the Rorschach, Thematic Apperception Test (TAT) and the Make-A-Picture-Story Test (MAPS), were then analyzed by psychologists, and the results were tabulated. The results of Hooker's experiment yielded no significant differences in answers on any of the three tests. Because both groups' answers scored very similarly, she concluded a zero correlation between social determinism of sexuality. As a result of Hooker's finding, the APA removed homosexuality from its Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Psychological Disorders in 1973. In 1975 it then released a public statement that homosexuality was not a mental disorder. In 1994, two decades later, the APA finally stated, "...homosexuality is neither a mental illness nor a moral depravity. It is the way a portion of the population expresses human love and sexuality" [2] here is the link to a whole lot more information: http://allpsych.com/journal/homosexuality.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcant Posted April 9, 2005 Share Posted April 9, 2005 This is probably way off topic and just a personal observation, but i cant see much future in a gay space colonisation program, well at least not without a lot of medical intervention :p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elderbear Posted April 9, 2005 Author Share Posted April 9, 2005 Homosexuality is associated with ill health in people. Period. Factual statement. This is not about my political, religious or personal beliefs. That is a factual statement and if people would stick to the facts instead of bringing up all this personal stuff, we would go a lot farther a lot faster. What do they teach people in science class these days? Do they still make you take science class? The ones where they teach you about experiments and testing your hypothesis and that kind of stuff? Yes. That's the kind of science classes I took. That's also the procedure I use when tracking down a software or hardware bug. But you don't seem to be doing that. You sling facts around like a perderast slings candy at kiddie world. But where are experimental results and observations that disprove your null hypothesis? Have you done them? Have others done them and published them? In peer-reviewed journals? What are the margins of error? Is the effect a correlation? If so, what is the demonstration of causation? What is your uncertainty level? If you cannot answer questions like these, you're not offering science, you're peddling belief. And I already have a belief, thank-you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elderbear Posted April 9, 2005 Author Share Posted April 9, 2005 As other readers can see, this unknown to me person just posted that in India they believe that losing semen causes loss of life force energy. That is science. That is a reasonable, educated statement to make. The man called me no names, did not attack me personally. This is how you talk to people if you want to resolve a misunderstanding and exchange information. No and Yes. No, that is not science - at least not as expressed. It is the observation of a belief system that has not been rigorously studed in a scientific manner. Note that I'm not ragging on the belief system - it might even be The Truth. But the rigorous work of scientific "proof" has not been applied here. Your point that GeneralLee was courteous and engaged in no ad hominem attacks is well taken. That is something we can all learn to do here. Whether or not I agree with you, I can learn to treat you with respect. That is the Way of the Trek. Thank-you for calling it to our attention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c0g Posted April 9, 2005 Share Posted April 9, 2005 Your point that GeneralLee was courteous and engaged in no ad hominem attacks is well taken. That is something we can all learn to do here. Whether or not I agree with you' date=' I can learn to treat you with respect. That is the Way of the Trek. Thank-you for calling it to our attention.[/quote'] Sooooryyy PapaBear. :( ad hominem tu quoque is hard for c0g to resist.... ...but he will try harder not to pick on people at the same time he picks on their ideas. I did hold back allot. You should hear what my wife says over my shoulder while I am writing. Sheesh! You think You need a blush emoticon now... suffice to say I have shown considerable restraint.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trekfreak04 Posted April 9, 2005 Share Posted April 9, 2005 I would suggest a little moderation towards this topic to prevent flame wars from erupting out of control..... My two cents... People make choices, and they are concious ones at that. I have learned to accept those choices in hopes that others learn to accept mine. I have a few friends that choose to live a gay or lesbian lifestyle, and we have learned to get along splendidly since we accept each others choices. It should only be that simple. I don't want to spend the rest of my life hating others because they choose differently than I. Life is short, learn to get along or you will have wasted a perfectly good life on nothing but hate... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralLee Posted April 9, 2005 Share Posted April 9, 2005 As other readers can see, this unknown to me person just posted that in India they believe that losing semen causes loss of life force energy. That is science. That is a reasonable, educated statement to make. The man called me no names, did not attack me personally. This is how you talk to people if you want to resolve a misunderstanding and exchange information. No and Yes. No, that is not science - at least not as expressed. It is the observation of a belief system that has not been rigorously studed in a scientific manner. Note that I'm not ragging on the belief system - it might even be The Truth. But the rigorous work of scientific "proof" has not been applied here. I'd have to agree with you on that. What I typed yesterday, was not really all that scientific. It is more-so just another very commonly held belief, and a belief held by many people. I'm not sure it has ever been proven or disproven by any scientific means before tho. To me, it falls into a realm of psuedo-science, much like the following do: The "I-Ching," is an amazing tool for divination, for finding out things about ones life. For 1,000's of years, many people have used it to help steer their lives. Science, woulld look at such a thing and say "what a bunch of balony." Well, I and millions of other people have used it as a tool over the years, and it really does seem to work. Is it scientific? Naw...I doubt if there is truly any scientific way to even test things like this for accuracy tho. The same can be said about other things, like Astrology, Tarot cards, Reincarnation, life after death, etc. The list can go on and on. In a sense, some of what I see being said, sorta can go in circles, and the following quote which I had in my signature here for several weeks, may really applie here with regard to many things. "In the province of the mind, what one believes to be true is true or becomes true, within certain limits to be found experientially and experimentally. These limits are further beliefs to be transcended. In the mind, there are no limits." John C. Lilly, 1964 (after doing LSD research in isolation tanks) Your point that GeneralLee was courteous and engaged in no ad hominem attacks is well taken. That is something we can all learn to do here. Whether or not I agree with you' date=' I can learn to treat you with respect. That is the Way of the Trek. Thank-you for calling it to our attention.[/quote'] Thanks to you, and BorisP, for the kind comments, even whether I fully agree with what was said later or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
synexo Posted April 10, 2005 Share Posted April 10, 2005 This is probably way off topic and just a personal observation' date=' but i cant see much future in a gay space colonisation program, well at least not without a lot of medical intervention :p[/quote'] YOU ARE SO WRONG! HAVEN'T YOU SEEN GAYNIGGERS FROM OUTER SPACE? gnfos.torrent gnfos.torrent (alternate) www.gnaa.us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c0g Posted April 10, 2005 Share Posted April 10, 2005 YOU ARE SO WRONG! From the http://www.gnaa.us/ wesite: "# Second, you need to succeed in posting a GNAA First Post on slashdot.org, or a popular "news for trolls" website. # Third, you need to join the official GNAA irc channel #GNAA on irc.gnaa.us, and apply for membership." This is just a childish Discordian Troll initiation attempt, and should be deleted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daffydk Posted April 10, 2005 Share Posted April 10, 2005 Wow this is such an interesting topic and I was thinking something which no one has brought up in this topic. That is the idea of LUST. People easily conclude based on observation that if animals have sex with same sex partners then they must be portraying homosexual behaviour. Then people go on to explain and define homosexual behaviour as love between two people and intimate relationship, etc. And I dont just mean people on this board. I have done 5 years of research in cardiology and we were working with pigs, rats and mice on daily basis. What I noticed from time to time that when we would put two male mice together, most of the time they would fight. Sometimes the dominant one would try to force its way on top of the other Male. It was always a nice friendly topic of discussion between us as to how to explain their behaviour... (that is when we were not discussing the matters of the heart-literaly ;)) Now people can conclude whatever they wish from this observation but heck did anyone think that they may just be acting based on lust? and maybe, just maybe interchanging love with lust? There are humans that will carry out their lusts by masterbating, or using dolls or dildos (even animals in extreme cases) or whatever else they do. The idea of who is right or who is wrong is highly judgemental and maybe based on a belief system. Afterall you could create your own system and criterion for whats right and whats wrong. And lastly but not least: I have heard such ideas that if homsexuality is supported by genetics in anyway (through finding evidence in terms of %'s of twins having the the trait and so on) that they. Recently I saw a paper in a scientific journal that linked anger with a certain gene in our body. And it made me think that how sometimes we are naive to quickly judge something just becuase it maybe found or linked in our genes. I think we should all realize that this is a complex issue and we should consider all angles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbbb Posted April 10, 2005 Share Posted April 10, 2005 Since when was Star Trek and Star Wars all about marriage? This site is about space, not marriage. There are plenty of marriage sites for us to post our thoughts about marriage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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