Are you too smart to figure this out?

[tisjusme]

How many petals?

 

 

What the hell is this ?????

You guys are all nuts.

I have tried at least 100 times, according to all IQ tests I have done, I have an uncanny ability to recognise patterns and I still don't get it.

I think at this point, that possibly you are all insane except for 'GeneralLee'.

I intend to keep trying until a resolve is found.

[werecow]

it can be done.....you just have to look for it......and think about it

[Tolax]

i just plain dont get it lol :stare:

[ZaphodiLe]

I refuse to believe this has anything to do with intelligence (since I got it on the first try). I have good grades and have gotten above avarage on the IQ tests I have tried, including the military's.

It has to be about creativity and the ability to see the large picture.

 

*possible spoiler*

Just think about what the name means, literally, and ask youself what the rose is in this game... Then it shouldn't be too hard to figure it out.

[synexo]

I didn't read the text - but had the correct answer on the first roll. Then I ran with a different theory. When it gave me my first answer back, I knew I had it down. I rolled again. This time I had a brain fart and typed one number while meaning another. Got it right on the third and subsequent tries.

 

It's a good puzzle. Try this:

 

How many points are there on the globe where, by walking one mile south, one mile east, and one mile north, you reach the place where you started?

 

The answer is 6 points, or any number of points, depending on what the hell points means. One at the north poll, one at the south, and four at equidistant points around the equator.The circumfrence would be 4 miles. Start at the north pole, walk one mile south, and you're at the equator. Walk 1 mile east, you are still at the equator. Walk 1 mile north, and you're back at the north pole. I'm not actually sure what's up with that points crap. Any globe would work actually, it's the confusion between east/west and right/left that I think is supposed to make this confusing.

 

I got the dice thingy in 3 rolls.

 

[synexo]

Sorry synexo' date=' but I think you're wrong. Remember that at the south pole there are no east, west and south directions, only north. At the north pole it's analogue. Furthermore, the idea was to apply it to the Earth, not to some sphere with a radius of 0.637 miles.[/quote']

 

You're right, I'm an idiot. I read the question 'How many points are there on A globe where, by walking one mile south, one mile east, and one mile north, you reach the place where you started', as if being at the northpole would be a self-evident necessity, and the question was asking how many 'points' would have to exist on a globe to make that true, and my answer was 6 if a point was defined as a marker for 1 mile and the circumference was 4 miles, or any if a point was like, a point in space. On earth of course it's one, the north pole.

[synexo]

You have been captured by a warlord. He takes a 6-gun and puts two bullets into adjacent chambers in the cylinder. He spins the cylinder, then places the gun against your temple.

 

You breathe calmly, realizing that there is nothing you can do.

 

"Click," the hammer falls on an empty cylinder.

 

The warlord says, "Because you showed great bravery, I will now grant you a choice ... shall I pull the trigger again, or shall I spin the cylinder and then pull the trigger?"

 

Which choice will maximize your chance of staying alive? Why? Would it still be a good choice if there was only one bullet in the gun? How about if the bullets were not in adjacent chambers?

 

You say: "Please pull the trigger mr. warlord."

 

One chance in four you get a bullet. Respin is one chance in three you get one. If bullets are not adjecent than two chances in five you get it, so then better respin. Very basic statistics, but fun anyway!

 

I think you're wrong here. The odds of a bullet firing are 1 in 3 (33%) if the trigger has not been pulled, and you spin. Being that the trigger has been pulled, and a bullet was not fired, the odds that the next chamber contains a bullet is 2 out of 5 (40%) because there are still 2 bullets, yet one chamber has been eliminated. The fact that the bullets are in adjacent chambers would only be relevant if the first bullet fired, because there would then be a 50% chance that the next chamber also contained a bullet.

 

I'd spin.

[TetsuoShima]

You're forgetting the fact that if the gun doesn't fire, that means that the chamber BEFORE the one now alligned, doesn't contain the primary bullet, but can still contain the secondary bullet.

 

I would fire.

[GeneralLee]

How many petals?

 

 

What the hell is this ?????

You guys are all nuts.

I have tried at least 100 times, according to all IQ tests I have done, I have an uncanny ability to recognise patterns and I still don't get it.

I think at this point, that possibly you are all insane except for 'GeneralLee'.

I intend to keep trying until a resolve is found.

 

 

LMFAO....

 

thanks for joing the crowd..... I still never figured it out, yet several times, I thought I did. I suspect a few others here, were just lucky, especially that person who said the answer was "1" even tho it changes for every roll of the dice.

[elderbear]

Ensign downlink describe pretty much the same algorithm I used to solve the Rose problem. Give the m8 credit!

 

He also shared that algorithm in a post - give him credit for wanting to help out.

 

I deleted that post. Didn't want anybody to be deprived of the fun. Also, as a member of the Brotherhood of the Petal of the Rose, I cannot allow the secret to be published!

 

;)

 

[elderbear]

Sorry synexo' date=' but I think you're wrong. Remember that at the south pole there are no east, west and south directions, only north. At the north pole it's analogue. Furthermore, the idea was to apply it to the Earth, not to some sphere with a radius of 0.637 miles.[/quote']

 

You're right, I'm an idiot. I read the question 'How many points are there on A globe where, by walking one mile south, one mile east, and one mile north, you reach the place where you started', as if being at the northpole would be a self-evident necessity, and the question was asking how many 'points' would have to exist on a globe to make that true, and my answer was 6 if a point was defined as a marker for 1 mile and the circumference was 4 miles, or any if a point was like, a point in space. On earth of course it's one, the north pole.

 

If it's any comfort, you're far brighter than the average idiot!

 

;)

 

The North Pole is one point. But there are more ...

[synexo]

If the bullets are in adjacent chambers, and the most recent shot did not fire, then there are 5 chambers left, The possibilities are:

 

XXX00

XX00X

X00XX

00XXX

 

X=empty, 0=bullet. The chambers are coming up from left to right.

 

We know this one is impossible, as a bullet didn't fire:

 

0XXXX

 

So, you have a 25% chance of getting blown away. If you respin, you have a 33% chance of getting blown away.

 

"Please pull the trigger, Mr. Warlord."

 

The key is that the bullets are adjacent. If they were not, your possibilities would be 0=bullet one, o=bullet 2:

 

0oXXX

0XoXX

0XXoX

0XXXo

X0oXX

X0XoX

X0XXo

o0XXX

XX0oX

XX0Xo

oX0XX

Xo0XX

XXX0o

oXX0X

XoX0X

XXo0X

oXXX0

XoXX0

XXoX0

XXXo0

 

There are 20 possible combinations, with either of the two bullets being next in 8 of those times. That's a 40% likelihood of death. You'd want to spin, this time.

 

Dammit, you're right!

 

lol, what if after pulling the trigger a second time, you is still alive?

[elderbear]

I refuse to believe this has anything to do with intelligence (since I got it on the first try). I have good grades and have gotten above avarage on the IQ tests I have tried, including the military's.

 

It has to be about creativity and the ability to see the large picture.

 

These are aspects of intelligence. See the works of Howard Gardener and others on Multiple Intelligences.

 

I think that Petals 'round the Rose tests the ability to "think outside the box." The box here being our usual conceptions of what dice are for, instead of other modes of perceiving. The name of the game provides a meaningful clue as to the solution.

[elderbear]

Dammit, you're right!

 

lol, what if after pulling the trigger a second time, you is still alive?

 

Then, you get to prove how two-thirds of six is 9. (Yes, it can be done!)

[tisjusme]

12 hours later & still trying to figure out the 'Petals on the rose' problem with no more of a clue than when i started yesterday.

 

I have read quotes from people also going insane over this form the Web page

(http://www.po-mo.us/petals/comments.htm)

The only real help I got was one person saying "it took me less than an hour and i have NO idea how it could take a professor a whole year to see the rose and the petals"

This statement inspired me to try try try again.

 

I still have no bloody idea. I still see no rose and no petals.

[tisjusme]

Here is a puzzle that was given to me by my Dad, years ago that he says is possible. I have had the problem for years and a couple of my old school teachers knew it & said it to be possible also.

Three Houses need electricity, water and Gas connected.

Try to connect them all without crossing lines. I always miss by one

The puzzle is done by drawing three houses in a line and on a paralell line draw three dots for the gas, water and power.

You can't join lines anywhere or go under or over lines.

[elderbear]

Here is a puzzle that was given to me by my Dad, years ago that he says is possible. I have had the problem for years and a couple of my old school teachers knew it & said it to be possible also.

 

Three Houses need electricity, water and Gas connected.

Try to connect them all without crossing lines. I always miss by one.

 

The puzzle is done by drawing three houses in a line and on a paralell line draw three dots for the gas, water and power.

You can't join lines anywhere or go under or over lines.

 

I stressed over this one many years ago in a Discrete Math class. It cannot be done on a Euclidean plane. I don't remember the proof - it was too many years ago.

 

It is possible - but again, one must think outside the box. (I never figured it out, our DM teacher walked us through the proof that it was impossible on a Euclidean plane and then how it was possible using a different geometry.)

[synexo]

12 hours later & still trying to figure out the 'Petals on the rose' problem with no more of a clue than when i started yesterday.

 

I have read quotes from people also going insane over this form the Web page

(http://www.po-mo.us/petals/comments.htm)

The only real help I got was one person saying "it took me less than an hour and i have NO idea how it could take a professor a whole year to see the rose and the petals"

This statement inspired me to try try try again.

 

I still have no bloody idea. I still see no rose and no petals.

 

It's like one of those 5-D stereograph things at the mall, you just gotta stare at it until it pops out at you. Try crossing your eyes.

[GeneralLee]

12 hours later & still trying to figure out the 'Petals on the rose' problem with no more of a clue than when i started yesterday.

 

What's at the center of a dart board?

[GeneralLee]

 

A red dot! ;)

 

Someone say Dots? I swear, it wasn't me, tho I do like the candy.

 

Here is a puzzle that was given to me by my Dad, years ago that he says is possible. I have had the problem for years and a couple of my old school teachers knew it & said it to be possible also.

Three Houses need electricity, water and Gas connected.

Try to connect them all without crossing lines. I always miss by one

The puzzle is done by drawing three houses in a line and on a paralell line draw three dots for the gas, water and power.

You can't join lines anywhere or go under or over lines.

 

It was YOU who said DOTS

 

Need I say more? If I do, I'll have to delete this, or Elderbear will. Maybe I will soon before he sees it, yea, that's the ticket.....

 

(I can see it now... huh?????)