BorisP Posted April 25, 2005 Share Posted April 25, 2005 Too much reliance on drugs. I bet half the people who are depressed are unfit. Being physically fit does wonders for the mental attitude. If you go learn how to do Tai Chi and do it regularly for a year or so, I bet you wouldn't need drugs and your feelings would even out. Western medicine does not know much about health unless it involves profits. You might even go talk to an acupuncturist. It takes longer to cure sometimes with an acupuncturist. You have to be patient. But they cure the cause of your problem. They don't hook you on expensive medication for the rest of your life so you are paying them $60 every month like it is a credit card or electric bill. Some people get messed up mentally too. You have to describe what bothers you first before someone can point that out. I saw a show on TV about some guy that was afraid of germs. He couldn't wash his hands because he was afraid of the other people's germs who had already used the sink. Crazy stuff like that. He even acted weird too. Some people say they are sick to get attention because they are lonely. They don't know how to talk to people so they play at being sick. I saw one of those on TV too. Anyways, this guy was truly messed up or a great actor. You could see him getting all nervous as the Psychiatrist tried to cure him. My observation? The guy was sick because of all the commercials on TV and, at the time, all the talk of a germ attack. If you turn on the TV, every commercial there is tells you there are germs everywhere and you must clean it up or get some horrible, dreaded disease. There are germs everywhere and they must be de germified with the $5.99 cleaner from the local store. The guy watched so many of those commercials, he went nuts. If you got an attitude about something, depression or whatever, is it because someone brainwashed you into being depressed? Then all you have to do is find someone to bring you back to reality. No drugs or expensive doctor visits. Your body and mind are directly connected. Your body energizes your brain. If you are not physically healthy, then the energy does not make it up to your brain. You need corrective exercise, not pills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkLuvsCS Posted April 25, 2005 Share Posted April 25, 2005 So what do you try to do when everything is hopeless, and you just want to end it all. Then you tell yourself it would be a waste of all the resources invested into yourself, and yet you still just want it all to stop. I don't know what i'm suppose to do when i just want to give up and end it all. It's pretty depressing seeing the choices you have made and have to make, and everything is grim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralLee Posted April 25, 2005 Share Posted April 25, 2005 BorisP, The first part of your post, was one of the best I have ever seen from anyone around here. The last half, was not necessary, except for the last paragraph. And synexo's post, tho a bit over-board, and I'd suppose some what or very much tounge-in-cheek like this one will be, does hold some merit. Sometimes a good stiff dose of Sandoz quality LSD-25, or even of lesser quality, or most any psychelic substance such as DMT, 'shrooms. peyote, etc., can at times "cure" folks from the "demons" that hound them. It surely can make you face them, and head on at that... or else.... you "freak out" and have a "bad trip." (the studies have ben done decades ago about all this) And, if you survive that "bad trip" (most do) you still saw those internal demons-visions-hang-ups-negative parts of yourself, and can work them out of yourself at a later time, hopefully. Frankly, I say the younger you are to a point, the better (16 years old minimum age). I do not endorse, nor encourage drug or substance abuse for anyone, but in my own personal experience, I know when I was the same age as Engineer101, 17 years old, they played a great role. Especially window pane, and orange sunshine... Odd thing is, I still get depressed and have mood swings to this day, .... go figure... Wait, maybe that is part of being human on planet Earth.... beats me anymore... "Beam me up, Scotty" ^ Benny Crane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elderbear Posted April 25, 2005 Share Posted April 25, 2005 I recommend alcohol, marijuana, and benzos to help you manage your manic phases, and then a good healthy dose of your psychedelic of choice when you feel you're about to get depressed. A good trip should keep you in daisies for a few weeks. If you can't get ahold of something good, just down a bottle of robitussin. Just make sure that it doesn't contain any acetemetaphine, that stuff 'll kill ya. Don't trip when you actually are depressed though. Then you could bad trip. If you are already depressed try to find some school kids and buy their adderol, or lotsa asthma medicine containing ephedrine to get you off your feet, and then drink yourself to sleep. Just remember, marijuana always helps. Also 5-HTP and melatonin before bed, and St Johns Wart when you wake up will keep you in good mood. Both have been shown to be as effective as prozak for mild to moderate depression. And don't take those doctor drug antidepressents. Those things will keep you hooked for life, and if you ever get off them you'll be worse off then you've ever been before. Just go look around the internet for reports of how addictive and messed up people get after years on paxil or effexor. And as for suicide, don't worry, you'll die someday. It's not a matter of enjoying life, it's a matter of learning patience. Who are you going to trust? An MD (preferably a psychiatrist) or somebody posting a paragraph about self-medicating on the internet? synexo's advice is potentially lethal. Just go look around the internet for reports of how addictive and messed up people get after years on paxil or effexor. Look around the internet (particularly in the DXM FAQ) for reports of how "addictive and messed up" dextromethorphan (the reason synexo recommends cough syrup) can make you. Skip back to BorisP's post and take him seriously about doing Tai Chi or do yoga. You will feel better. If you're concerned about the chemical path, go to Crazy Meds and read about the ups and downs of people why have tried the western medical solution. Make an informed solution - but get to those Tai Chi practices every day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recoilzed Posted April 25, 2005 Share Posted April 25, 2005 Well, It seems like you have a lot of good friends here...... Hopefully this board can at least let you know that..... Stress is always the biggest evil for me, I used to be in Management and found that I was wishing to get in car accidents just to stay away from all the evil stress in my life, now I walk dogs for a living and that has helped me... I can't provide the good information that the other fine folks who have posted here have, but saw someone suffering and had to say something, hang on dude!!! Just keep downloading and escaping the evils of this world thats what I do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralLee Posted April 25, 2005 Share Posted April 25, 2005 So what do you try to do when everything is hopeless' date=' and you just want to end it all. Then you tell yourself it would be a waste of all the resources invested into yourself, and yet you still just want it all to stop. I don't know what i'm suppose to do when i just want to give up and end it all. It's pretty depressing seeing the choices you have made and have to make, and everything is grim.[/quote'] Those very thoughts have crossed my mind before, believe me, and I bet they have crossed everyones at one point or another. For me, I would never commit suicide. That is just not an option. Why? What if there is life after death? What if reincarnation is a reality? Then, where would that leave "me?" In some god forsaken hell-hole, a limbo-state, or worse? None of us can prove nor dis-prove what lays beyond, or what may not lie beyond if anything, but frankly, no matter how depressed I may ever get, or how hopeless living on this godforesaken planet may be and get now or in the future, I've chosen to die a natural death, by what ever means that ever comes by..... tho I do wish it does not ever have to happen. (I have a feeling that death, and the afterlife, are probably a cunstruct of this planet earth, and that most very advanced civillizations out there, do not see things nor experience things the way we do here). I'll be honest, there have been times in my own life when I have wished and dreamed that I could just lie down and be away from it all, away from life as it is right now, rather Rip Van Wenkel like, for at least a few months anyhow, and to be conscious and aware while doing so. Guess that is the state of limbo... tho Sometimes a break from what we see as reality, can be enticing, but, as it turns out, if it is just a dream, it is a pipe dream. It's hard to pull off, without being admitted to the Psych-ward. Then again, quantum mechanics and string theory states that...... my I've rambled enough for now.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkLuvsCS Posted April 25, 2005 Share Posted April 25, 2005 sad, i've thought of the most effecient way to kill one's self in order to insure maximun organ donation ability. I figured hell, if i'm not fit to be here then someone else should live on. I was just having some really rough times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oma Posted April 25, 2005 Share Posted April 25, 2005 sad' date=' i've thought of the most effecient way to kill one's self in order to insure maximun organ donation ability. I figured hell, if i'm not fit to be here then someone else should live on. I was just having some really rough times. [/quote'] I honestly don't think they use organs from a suicide (at least not in Denmark)- but it's a decent thought on your behalf (not that you should've carried it out!). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elderbear Posted April 25, 2005 Share Posted April 25, 2005 sad' date=' i've thought of the most effecient way to kill one's self in order to insure maximun organ donation ability. I figured hell, if i'm not fit to be here then someone else should live on. I was just having some really rough times. [/quote'] "if i'm not fit to be here" - That's a lie ... one you tell yourself, a conclusion you learned from how people interacted with you. It also is the frequent voice of depression - and it seeds depression. The most essential tool to overcoming depression is learning to recognize the lies that we each tell ourselves about ourselves. Once recognized, name them as lies. I have the construct of "The Big Lie" - and when I notice a self-defeating/destructive thought, I acknowledge it as a manifestation of "The Big Lie." Naming the lie isn't enough. Simply discovering a "bug" in software doesn't fix the program. It also takes repair. Replacing the lie with a truth. For example, replace "i'm not fit to be here," with "I'm struggling to be here, but I'm learning one step at a time to make my life worthwhile." This reframing makes itself true. The very act of reframing an untruth is an act of learning to make your life worthwhile. Eventually, you'll have many opportunities do discover just how worthwhile you are, your life is. Don't give up before the miracle happens! And thinking about how to leave your organs behind to save others - if that isn't the hallmark of a worthwhile person, what is? Even in your despair (I assume), your thoughts go to helping others. Actually a bit heroic. But it's even more heroic to find meaning in your life without giving that precious life up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Engineer101 Posted April 26, 2005 Author Share Posted April 26, 2005 I dont think its Bipolar. my counselor said by talking to me. it isnt bipolar. ill check the doctor. im reading up on chronic Depression. it does show alot of stuff. sooo tired........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soulreaper Posted April 27, 2005 Share Posted April 27, 2005 Something to think about..... The World Is Mine! Today upon a bus, I saw a lovely girl, I envied her: She seemed so happy. And I wish I were as fair. And then, suddenly, she rose to leave, and I saw her hobble down the aisle, She had one leg and wore a crutch, But as she passed, a smile. Oh God, forgive me when I whine, I have two legs, I am blessed indeed. The world is mine! Later, walking down the street, I saw a man with eyes of blue. But he just stood and the watched the others play. So, I stopped a moment and then I said, "Why don't you join the others, sir?" But he looked ahead without a word. And then I knew he could not hear. Oh God, forgive me when I whine, I have two ears, I am blessed indeed. The world is mine! And later, I stopped to buy some sweets, The lad who sold them had such charm, I talked with him. If I were late, it would do no harm. But as I turned to go, he said to me, "I thank you sir. You've been so kind. It's nice to talk with folks like you. You see", he said, "I'm blind" Oh God, forgive me when I whine, I have two eyes, I am blessed indeed. The world is mine! With legs to take me where I want to go, With ears to hear the things I need to know, With eyes to watch that radiant sunset glow, Oh God, forgive me when I whine. I am blessed indeed! The world is mine! Og Mandino Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Engineer101 Posted April 27, 2005 Author Share Posted April 27, 2005 my CONSTANT back pain is killing me. just found out it was a disablity. my mom kept filling forms for SSI. and it never went through. maybe it will work this time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wahaha Posted April 27, 2005 Share Posted April 27, 2005 Good luck with SSI or SSDI.. you'll probably need a lawyer, but they work for free until you win, then take a chunk of up to $5,200. Unless you have severe scoliosis or some disc problem in your back, you won't get SS. You'd have better chances if you tell them you're jekyll and hyde. Mental conditions have more weight with them than physical impairments do. But be prepared with a LOT of medical proof of past and ongoing treatment. Sometimes they want to send you to THEIR doctors to be evaluated. Don't let them do it if you have your own. If you're denied, you need to file an appeal within 60 days, and the appeal process is LONG. You might not get a hearing for 1 year. DO NOT keep filing new forms! It restarts the process from the beginning and will make it take forever. Usually you should have gotten a reply letter, either accepted or denied within 4-6 months. Also, you shouldn't need to fill out any forms. You can call the nearest SS office and they will fill the forms out for you over the phone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vystral Posted April 27, 2005 Share Posted April 27, 2005 The thing you need to remember about depression is that the entire world (at least, how you perceive it) is inside of your head. Your sadness and paranoia are an elaborate dream. I fought depression for 10 years. I used to deny what I am telling you right now, but it is the resolution I have come up with after 4 years of being out of depression. No one else thinks like you do. That doesn't make you different, that makes you special. It gives you a unique outlook on life and everyone in it. Feed from this pain and make yourself stronger. It is the only thing you can do, and the only thing that will end the pain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tolax Posted April 27, 2005 Share Posted April 27, 2005 Something to think about..... The World Is Mine! Today upon a bus, I saw a lovely girl, I envied her: She seemed so happy. And I wish I were as fair. And then, suddenly, she rose to leave, and I saw her hobble down the aisle, She had one leg and wore a crutch, But as she passed, a smile. Oh God, forgive me when I whine, I have two legs, I am blessed indeed. The world is mine! Later, walking down the street, I saw a man with eyes of blue. But he just stood and the watched the others play. So, I stopped a moment and then I said, "Why don't you join the others, sir?" But he looked ahead without a word. And then I knew he could not hear. Oh God, forgive me when I whine, I have two ears, I am blessed indeed. The world is mine! And later, I stopped to buy some sweets, The lad who sold them had such charm, I talked with him. If I were late, it would do no harm. But as I turned to go, he said to me, "I thank you sir. You've been so kind. It's nice to talk with folks like you. You see", he said, "I'm blind" Oh God, forgive me when I whine, I have two eyes, I am blessed indeed. The world is mine! With legs to take me where I want to go, With ears to hear the things I need to know, With eyes to watch that radiant sunset glow, Oh God, forgive me when I whine. I am blessed indeed! The world is mine! Og Mandino You been drinking???? :stare: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
synexo Posted April 27, 2005 Share Posted April 27, 2005 Who are you going to trust? An MD (preferably a psychiatrist) or somebody posting a paragraph about self-medicating on the internet? synexo's advice is potentially lethal. An MD has nothing in mind but lining his pockets and paying back his student loans, paying off that big house, and keeping his pretty little wife in diamonds. I'm just giving good advice for the desperate. If you're depressed, if you're contemplating suicide, anything that will keep you going 'til things get better is worth the while. Depression is potentially lethal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Engineer101 Posted April 27, 2005 Author Share Posted April 27, 2005 andreas was drinking. he said he was at a 3 day party Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soulreaper Posted April 27, 2005 Share Posted April 27, 2005 Well, yeah as a matter of fact I had been drinking and smoking (not only cigarettes) for an entire weekend - having a blast as well as a farewell party to a friend of mine (ours, we who partied) who's parting for the Netherlands today! And since depression and the like comes from a huge variety of things, this is a good poem to keep in mind. Sometimes depression and etc. just comes from infected thinking and thus it's good with a reminder of what you have instead of being mentally trapped in what you don't have, miss, feel sad about etc. It's about Perspective - which usually goes down the drain when someone is depressed. Stuff around in this topic may seem awkward, especially if you're only 16 - it's a long way from the life you may currently lead, but it's real and it's true. Wisdom and how to wield it, takes time and effort. But eventually (I hope) this all will make sense, but again that requires a price..time, effort and thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elderbear Posted April 27, 2005 Share Posted April 27, 2005 An MD has nothing in mind but lining his pockets and paying back his student loans, paying off that big house, and keeping his pretty little wife in diamonds. This may be true of an MD - or even of a number of them. Most are driven by a desire to help their patients. Unfortunately, many of them get their continuing education from pharmaceutical reps. I'm just giving good advice for the desperate. If you're depressed, if you're contemplating suicide, anything that will keep you going 'til things get better is worth the while. Depression is potentially lethal. I didn't comment about whether or not your advice had merit. It is, however, extremely risky and potentially lethal. It has the potential to compound the depression. Self-medication for mood disorders is not a good idea precisely because altered mood = altered brain chemistry = altered ability to think about the situation. That's why we encourage people to take their medication as prescribed and to immediately discuss any problems or side-effects with their doctor. That lets a third party make decisions, give advice. It removes the altered mood variable from the loop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soulreaper Posted April 27, 2005 Share Posted April 27, 2005 Exactly and in additon; mental training (as stated here and there in "here" and on other places in this forum) is never wrong to add up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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