Guest c4evap Posted May 2, 2005 Share Posted May 2, 2005 Besides, none of those "mirror universe" episodes had a "conclusive" ending so you could come back to this fantasy every now an then - that was obviously planned here as well. Ah...excuese me...incorrect. The TOS ep had an ending. The whole point of that ep was for the away team to get back to their universe and they did. c4evap B) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
str82u Posted May 2, 2005 Share Posted May 2, 2005 Part two seemed rushed. The end just left me hanging and feeling unsatisfied. I give it a 6/10. c4evap :( I thought both were rushed, crammed in fact. But the ending was just a bit of Rod Serling-esque irony, like Bound, who is actually doing what. Hoshi was on top (no pun here) of things most of the time, and except for almost screwing herself going hand to hand with T'Pol and keeping Phlox onboard, you could see she was manipulating most of the time. Edit: The more I read elsewhere, the more I want to add. A whole lot of people are comparing this to TOS mirror, and yeah, it was a recycled Idea, I haven't seen that ep in so long, I forgot about the goatee, so as a stand alone soty, it wasn't the best of Enterprise I've seen, but if you don't apply any rules to it (because there are none - we don't know this mirror, just the current universe) and wathc as a stand alone show, I'd give it an 8. My opinion of the Augments and Kir'Shara arcs is lower, those I'd give 6 and seven respectively, both could've been two eps and told the same story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest c4evap Posted May 2, 2005 Share Posted May 2, 2005 Just another thought...If I had someone try to stab me with a knife (like Hoshi tried to do to Archer) I wouldn't trust them as far as I could throw em. I mean - what was he thinking? c4evap :rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vyper Posted May 2, 2005 Share Posted May 2, 2005 what was he thinking? Got Pussy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dabrood Posted May 2, 2005 Share Posted May 2, 2005 Ah...excuese me...incorrect. The TOS ep had an ending. The whole point of that ep was for the away team to get back to their universe and they did. c4evap B) But this time there was no one from the "real universe" - hence no possible conclusive ending without killing them all or destroying the whole universe B) ;) Okay, they could have shown Hoshi or Archer in a throne and end like this, but would that really have been better? ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dabrood Posted May 2, 2005 Share Posted May 2, 2005 What particularly pissed me off in this episode (which ruined any goodwill I had from last week) was the Defiant apparently being kept in the Imperium. Now, wait, we know that 70-80 years later, in Kirk's time, that the technology essentially is the same. So what, they couldn't reverse engineer anything on the Defiant? Or they couldn't make advances? What makes all of you so sure that the "happy universe" shown in the arc is the same universe shown in the Star Trek history? As stated in TNG "Parallels" there is a infinite number of universes with slightest differences, referring to the quantum theory. This leads to the following possible explanation: - The Mirror universe (shown in Part I) - The Defiant universe (which they enter, study and in which slut-Hoshi is ruling the empire in the end) - The "real" Archer/Kirk/Starfleet universe (which has not been shown at all) (Just having fun making up different solutions - this is what an open ending is all about :cyclops: ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dabrood Posted May 2, 2005 Share Posted May 2, 2005 Maybe you are right, but you can't proof me wrong :p (at least I hope so :cyclops: ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest c4evap Posted May 3, 2005 Share Posted May 3, 2005 what was he thinking? Got Pussy? That remark is just plain crude. You were either trying to be funny or you're just plain ignorant. Either way, it wasn't appreciated. c4evap :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest c4evap Posted May 3, 2005 Share Posted May 3, 2005 TOS' episode also had an open ending, in that Spock-prime was urged to do something about his version of the Universe. True...but we can reasonably assume that Spock-prime would have killed Kirk-prime. After all, he now knew of the alien machine Kirk-prime had used to destroy his enemies. Okay, they could have shown Hoshi or Archer in a throne and end like this, but would that really have been better? ;) If it ended with Hoshi or Archer sitting on the Emperor's throne...yes, that would have at least been better. c4evap B) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
str82u Posted May 3, 2005 Share Posted May 3, 2005 What makes all of you so sure that the "happy universe" shown in the arc is the same universe shown in the Star Trek history? As stated in TNG "Parallels" there is a infinite number of universes with slightest differences, referring to the quantum theory. But, again, the writing staff screwed themselves into a corner. Archer states, even in the previews and recaps, that the "theory" is that everything exists in both their Universe and the non-Mirror Universe. One of each. Not multiples. Bad wolf. There are no rules, like it was said, who knows what parallel universe did Defiant come from. It was certainly like the one we know, but the delusions Commander Archer had of Captain Archer depicts a vicious fellow. That may be his delusion, but even though the show ended with Hoshi on her way to Earth to hop on the throne, we don't really know what became of them, we aren't following thier story, we just got a glipse of it. I mentioned before that I liked the Serling-esque twist there. What if in another universe it were T'Pol? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisis1033 Posted May 3, 2005 Share Posted May 3, 2005 Just another thought...If I had someone try to stab me with a knife (like Hoshi tried to do to Archer) I wouldn't trust them as far as I could throw em. I mean - what was he thinking? c4evap :rolleyes: Did you check out Hoshi?? :p I bet Archer was thinking with his other head!! ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raktajino Posted May 3, 2005 Share Posted May 3, 2005 Hi Folks, One thing that no one has talked about here is from DS9, the episode is "Crossover" . It does explain what happened after the TOS "Mirror, Morror" episode. Check it out ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest c4evap Posted May 3, 2005 Share Posted May 3, 2005 TOS' episode also had an open ending' date=' in that Spock-prime was urged to do something about his version of the Universe. [/quote'] True...but we can reasonably assume that Spock-prime would have killed Kirk-prime. After all, he now knew of the alien machine Kirk-prime had used to destroy his enemies. But the open-ending wasn't that Spock-prime would kill Kirk-prime, but that he'd make a real change in the Empire. How would he do so, and what sort of Empire would it be, if he acted? OK. You win. Put down the rubber hose...I give! :p c4evap B) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest c4evap Posted May 3, 2005 Share Posted May 3, 2005 Just another thought...If I had someone try to stab me with a knife (like Hoshi tried to do to Archer) I wouldn't trust them as far as I could throw em. I mean - what was he thinking? c4evap :rolleyes: Did you check out Hoshi?? :p I bet Archer was thinking with his other head!! ;) OK. You put it nicer than another poster. Yes, I checked out Hoshi but I'd prefer Trip (but that's another topic). That's not really what I meant by the question. It's supposed to be common practice to advance by assignation, yes? Archer knows this, she tries to kill him, he thinks with his other head...makes no damn sense... Archer is second in command. You don't get to be second in command (and stay there for years) by thinking with your other head. So, it's just another rushed part to an overall rushed script. Any person in that situation would have ejected her right out an airlock then and there. I mean, he had big plans for the Defiant. Would he really have risked everything for a quickie? What would you have done? c4evap B) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDawgAMD Posted May 3, 2005 Share Posted May 3, 2005 [snip=c4evap] Archer is second in command. You don't get to be second in command (and stay there for years) by thinking with your other head. So, it's just another rushed part to an overall rushed script. Any person in that situation would have ejected her right out an airlock then and there. I mean, he had big plans for the Defiant. Would he really have risked everything for a quickie? What would you have done?[/snip] I don't quite agree on that point. If you look at archers attitude, his big mistake was thinking that hoshi was content being a consort. He thought consort of the emporer would satisfy her, so in his mind he was safe from her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vyper Posted May 3, 2005 Share Posted May 3, 2005 what was he thinking? Got Pussy? That remark is just plain crude. You were either trying to be funny or you're just plain ignorant. Either way, it wasn't appreciated. c4evap :( Only on a trek board am I not surprised someone said that. It's called a joke. Edit: For the record I was referring to the fact women can blind anyone to a danger given the right ... technique. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkusSVK Posted May 3, 2005 Share Posted May 3, 2005 Hoshi and Reed were very good but the episode was F.U.B.A.R. I like the original series.It was a nostalgical feeling to see the TOS ship and outfits. IT WAS RUSHED!!! Again :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S0V13T Posted May 3, 2005 Share Posted May 3, 2005 For the record I was referring to the fact women can blind anyone to a danger given the right ... technique. I'll drink to that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dabrood Posted May 3, 2005 Share Posted May 3, 2005 the episode was F.U.B.A.R. You lost me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDawgAMD Posted May 4, 2005 Share Posted May 4, 2005 FUBAR= F'd up beyond all recognition ( repair) can go with either one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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