Revenge of the sith - was it any good

[maverick]

Edsel I really dont think you understand George Lucas at all and his vision though not many does.

 

Its cheesy its scifi and thats exactly how george wanted it to be.

 

And why i like the movies and the books

 

easy and fun entertainment.

 

hmm liked error flynn movies too hmm hehe

 

 

nice one zerotop! :D

 

you took the words right out of my mouth

 

there were complaints whe aotc came out. people said the name was crap. but the name represents the way he wantes to tell the story.

 

 

[primehellix]

Well, I'm not exactly a fan of Star wars, but in my opinion there wasn't suppose to be Epi1, Epi2 and Epi3. Not that they were scrap - on the countrary, I even did like them. But they made the whole misterious story from THE ORIGINAL three episodes to... vanish. I mean, what was the point of telling a story when everybody knows how it will end anyway??? And, if you haven't noticed, there are some things that didn't fit between the old three and the new three episodes, like the droids for example. In the old epis C3PO DOES NOT KNOW who is Kenobi ??? He has forgotten??? And R2D2 couldn't remind him that ? Due to a short surcuit or a power failure perhaps?!?!?! ;)

 

Aside from all that (hope noone offended), I really did enjoyed watching all three new epis including Epi3... Nice FXs, nice actors, nice dynamics... But that was all. :(

[Weyoun]

Well, I'm not exactly a fan of Star wars, but in my opinion there wasn't suppose to be Epi1, Epi2 and Epi3. Not that they were scrap - on the countrary, I even did like them. But they made the whole misterious story from THE ORIGINAL three episodes to... vanish. I mean, what was the point of telling a story when everybody knows how it will end anyway??? And, if you haven't noticed, there are some things that didn't fit between the old three and the new three episodes, like the droids for example. In the old epis C3PO DOES NOT KNOW who is Kenobi ??? He has forgotten??? And R2D2 couldn't remind him that ? Due to a short surcuit or a power failure perhaps?!?!?! ;)

 

Aside from all that (hope noone offended), I really did enjoyed watching all three new epis including Epi3... Nice FXs, nice actors, nice dynamics... But that was all. :(

 

At the end of ep3, 3PO had his memory wiped. As for R2D2, apparently not. Probably told not to. He was pretty secretive in episode IV.

[maverick]

Well, I'm not exactly a fan of Star wars, but in my opinion there wasn't suppose to be Epi1, Epi2 and Epi3. Not that they were scrap - on the countrary, I even did like them. But they made the whole misterious story from THE ORIGINAL three episodes to... vanish. I mean, what was the point of telling a story when everybody knows how it will end anyway??? And, if you haven't noticed, there are some things that didn't fit between the old three and the new three episodes, like the droids for example. In the old epis C3PO DOES NOT KNOW who is Kenobi ??? He has forgotten??? And R2D2 couldn't remind him that ? Due to a short surcuit or a power failure perhaps?!?!?! ;)

 

Aside from all that (hope noone offended), I really did enjoyed watching all three new epis including Epi3... Nice FXs, nice actors, nice dynamics... But that was all. :(

 

At the end of ep3, 3PO had his memory wiped. As for R2D2, apparently not. Probably told not to. He was pretty secretive in episode IV.

 

 

R2 knew where it was at in Ep IV.

 

pretty tough little droid too. seen a lot of upsetting stuff and just got on with it.

 

unlike that big sissy gold thing 3PO. R2D2 i cant go out dressed like this! and i forgot my handbag

[Edsel]

Well' date=' I'm not exactly a fan of Star wars, but in my opinion there wasn't suppose to be Epi1, Epi2 and Epi3. [/quote']

 

Absolutely. Ultimately, this is the problem with the whole series.

 

Look, we all know Star Wars was released in 1977 as a standalone movie. No episode 4, just light generic backstory to fill in some blanks, but not much. You don't have to provide audiences with huge background, they'll fill in details in their mind.

 

Then it explodes. Now the studio is talking sequels, and George gets the brilliant idea to make the sequel Ep. V, as an homage to the serials he used to enjoy. ("Quick, put Ep. IV on the current prints!") It didn't really matter what had happened in previous episodes of "Commander Alpha and the Pirates of Epsilon" when you turned on the tv and started to watch episode 8, because they'd fill you in.

 

It's at this point he starts making up stuff about how it was always supposed to be a trilogy, oh I mean it always supposed to be nine films, oh I mean it was always supposed to be six films, etc.

 

And despite his claims, it's also very clear that pretty much each story has been made up as they go along, rather than developing a coherent consistent plotline at the beginning. There are far too many plot holes and problems that have developed along the way. George ran out of ideas after two films, and that's why there's only two great films out of the six.

 

Don't get me wrong. I love Star Wars (it's not "A New Hope", bah). Saw it every chance I could get in 1977 (as an adult, not a kid). And it wasn't cheesy back then, time has cheesed it up.

 

Maverick, how many light sabre duels are there in Star Wars? Empire? Great films don't need constant sabre duels. George draws a blank, and out comes "how about another sabre duel here?"

[GorunNova]

From IMDB - Star Wars (1977)

 

"Adventures of the Starkiller: Episode 1 - The Star Wars (USA) (original script title) "

 

... seems to suggest you're partly right, Edsel. It was intended as a series of movies, but NOT as #4... but #1.

[maverick]

 

Look, we all know Star Wars was released in 1977 as a standalone movie. No episode 4, just light generic backstory to fill in some blanks, but not much. You don't have to provide audiences with huge background, they'll fill in details in their mind.

 

Then it explodes. Now the studio is talking sequels, and George gets the brilliant idea to make the sequel Ep. V, as an homage to the serials he used to enjoy. ("Quick, put Ep. IV on the current prints!")

 

It's at this point he starts making up stuff about how it was always supposed to be a trilogy, oh I mean it always supposed to be nine films, oh I mean it was always supposed to be six films, etc.

 

There are far too many plot holes and problems that have developed along the way.

 

 

"

 

 

PLOT HOLES!? yeah right.....

 

care to name a few?? oh go on make a case

 

 

it was always episode 4 as far as i remember. always . and i remember because it confused the hell uta me when i was a kid.

 

"why is this the first one?" i would wonder

 

empire came next in the series and who can blame the guy for capitalising on his previous success. and this was the part where he started to make stuff up? i think you may be pointing the finger at the wrong guy there edsel.

 

 

 

 

[GorunNova]

The point is... the original script was marked as #1... meaning it wasn't written with the intention of having three prequels.

[maverick]

The point is... the original script was marked as #1... meaning it wasn't written with the intention of having three prequels.

 

 

i can accept that but is it possible that the film script was marked I but the story I was based in was actually part IV?

 

 

so the story was there but the film didnt reflect it?

 

anyway everything i remember was that a new hope was no4

[TV Man]

I just got back from watching Sith at the theater. If you're looking for great cinema, this probably isn't it. That's not to say this is a bad film because it isn't. IMHO it is the best episode of the first trilogy. It doesn't give us any of the dumb Jar Jar characters the spoil some of the earlier episodes in the trilogy, and it's dark and complex.

 

Good Points:

 

* FX as usual are excellent

 

* No Looney Tunes characters like Jar Jar Binks to mess up the intensity of the movie.

 

* We get to see how Darth Vader became Darth Vader. You can argue some of the finer points of this. but to me the story line was plausible

 

* Rather pointed and fairly complex political commentary. Lucas manages to show fairly effectively how a democracy descends to fascism and how in the name of defending democracy one can become as bad as those they are fighting against. This is something that requires a grand scope to pull off, and Star Wars is that grand scope.

 

* You swear that Yoda is actually real. :-)

 

 

Cons:

 

* Some of the acting is clunky. This may be intentional as Star Wars is modeled after the old Saturday morning serials and Lucas may have wanted more of a cartoon performance from the likes of Samuel L. jackson. But still, you know that these actors are capable of a lot more, so it's a bit distracting.

 

* This is the end of the line unless Lucas changes his mind and allows the final three episodes to be made.

 

* The sound seemed flat. This could have been because of the theatre I was at, but other movies I've seen there have the surround effect which wasn't present at this viewing.

 

 

Overall I would rate this as 9 out of 10.

[Zerotop]

if you have sw trilogy se.

 

You can watcg Lucas in the documentry talk a lot about how the script became movies.

 

And i belive he said that in the end the script became to big so he had to pick a spot where he wanted to make a movie from so he choose where the story had advanced a bit.

 

sorry for the bad spelling :rolleyes:

 

 

[maverick]

yuo mean the whole story was already written? and georgy porgy just thought of makin the movie from IV cos it was the most coherent place to start and stop an exerpt?

 

 

i hope it is my vocabulary has been pushed to the limit

[coolcat13]

actually I wish Lucas would have scrapped ep 1 it was rubbish IMHO

that bieng said i am glad that there were prequels it was quite interesting to see how a person who embraced good could fall into darkness with a few bad decisions .One can relate it to real life by thinking of driving while intoxicated for instance one bad decision and everything is turned upside down .

if you are heavily into the Cannon then yea be upset I guess but if the point was to see a good movie with decent special effects and a solid plot then you should have enjoyed this movie .

to the detracters yes the acting by a few actors and some of the lines by Lucas were less than spectacular but hey thats what kept me from giving the movie a 10 instead it got a 9 out of 10

 

scorecard

 

ep 1 - 5.5

ep 2 - 8.5

ep 3 - 9.0

ep 4 (the original) - 10.0

ep 5 - 10.0

ep 6 - 9.0

[maverick]

 

ep 1 - 5.5

ep 2 - 8.5

ep 3 - 9.0

ep 4 (the original) - 10.0

ep 5 - 10.0

ep 6 - 9.0

 

 

i agree

[TV Man]

actually I wish Lucas would have scrapped ep 1 it was rubbish IMHO

 

Ep 1 was the one with Jar Jar Binks wasn't it? I did not like that character at all.

 

 

to the detracters yes the acting by a few actors and some of the lines by Lucas were less than spectacular but hey thats what kept me from giving the movie a 10 instead it got a 9 out of 10

 

scorecard

 

ep 1 - 5.5

ep 2 - 8.5

ep 3 - 9.0

ep 4 (the original) - 10.0

ep 5 - 10.0

ep 6 - 9.0

 

I'm one of the detractors as far as some of the acting I guess (for example I thought the guy who played Anakin did his best to imitate Keanu Reeves at times) , but because I think the wooden acting is part of the charm of Star Wars, I think Episode III rates high and also gave it 9 out of 10 .

[MindTrick]

I haven't posted for awhile, and just catching up on the forums... Forgive me if something like this has already been posted....

 

When george lucas created starwars, he had enough material for 9 installments. He only had enough cash flow to create one. He picked a new hope, and later on empire and jedi as the original triliogy because he thought this was the best trilliogy to pick from. There for, don't expect the prequels or sequels for that matter to blow you away like the originals.

 

And, i can see how a causual glancer at star wars would not like revenge of the sith. This was "for the fans." The story took off exactly from the finishing point of the cartoon series Clone Wars, where in the last episode the chancellor was kidnaped.

 

Also, those complaining that there are still loose ends... George is planning a tv series, happening between Revenge of the jedi and A new hope. Which i think would be the better way to tell the remaining story between these 2 movies. Something to replace enterprise anyway.....

[govil]

Just watched A New Hope this evening and noticed there were more thing going on in the background or just after the main characters had departed that were humourous.

 

Could you give an example of what you mean here? I've seen ANH so many times, & I've noticed all the mistakes, (but, like who cares about the mistakes anyways) but are you speaking of something else? :o

[primehellix]

Also' date=' those complaining that there are still loose ends... George is planning a tv series, happening between Revenge of the jedi and A new hope. Which i think would be the better way to tell the remaining story between these 2 movies. Something to replace enterprise anyway.....[/quote']

 

What do you mean with that "remaining story"?!?!?!?! THERE IS NO REMAINING STORY! The story BEGUN with the original trillogy and ENDED with it!!! When the original three epis was made Lucas hadn't considered another three epis... and that is very obvious if you watch the originals! Everything else besides them was made not for the fans or for telling the whole story in details - it was made for the money!!!!!!

 

And what for example would include the TV series then??? How did Luke grew up, how he was living on the boring Tatueen ( how do you spell that thing anyway?!?!?!), maybe how Han Solo became a smugler, and how Leah did played with her dolls, not even suspecting the existance of "THE FOOOOOOOOOORCE"...

 

Besides, R2D2 was not "misterious" in the IV episode, HE SIMPLY HAD NOT BEEN CONSIDERED TO "REMEMBER BUT NOT TELL" anything about Padme ot Anakin... Because he was supposed to be an accidentally picked up by Leah droid to deliver her message to Kenobi. Unless ofcource I didn't get some underlined plot in the original trillogy???????

[razorlock]

Thought it was pretty good, not excellent, but pretty good.

I'm really looking forward to the live-action TV spin-off that's coming down the pike. Guess that's one torrent we're -not- going to get involved with. Unless we buy a pay-load on the next shuttle and put a private sattelite with in-built server in space... :)

[GorunNova]

What do you mean with that "remaining story"?!?!?!?! THERE IS NO REMAINING STORY! The story BEGUN with the original trillogy and ENDED with it!!! When the original three epis was made Lucas hadn't considered another three epis... and that is very obvious if you watch the originals! Everything else besides them was made not for the fans or for telling the whole story in details - it was made for the money!!!!!!

Well... it could cover the Rebel-Empire battles leading up to Star Wars. Quite a few worlds probably had issues with suddenly being an Empire, and the Rebellion probably didn't pop into existance fully formed. There could be lots of interesting stuff in that. Also, maybe a couple of Jedi other than Obi Wan and Yoda did survive... and so Darths Vader and Sidious would have to hunt them down.

 

And what for example would include the TV series then??? How did Luke grew up, how he was living on the boring Tatueen ( how do you spell that thing anyway?!?!?!), maybe how Han Solo became a smugler, and how Leah did played with her dolls, not even suspecting the existance of "THE FOOOOOOOOOORCE"...

Actually, it might be kind of interesting to find out about Han's past. After all, one doesn't get on the bad side of the Huns, be friends with the leader of the Cloud City, befriend and earn the loyalty and service of a Wookie, etc. etc. etc. without doing anything.

 

Y'know, as long as it isn't just George Lucas writing, the TV series may have some pretty good potential...