Cool_Cat Posted June 6, 2005 Share Posted June 6, 2005 Just curious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuages Posted June 6, 2005 Share Posted June 6, 2005 Paramount has always been an antelope Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daffydk Posted June 6, 2005 Share Posted June 6, 2005 they were pretty good at first. AFter all, they aired TNG and DS9. And then they sucked! I hope they can get new executives in who are avid star trek fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrLapage Posted June 6, 2005 Share Posted June 6, 2005 No, DS9 was a bad decision. Period. Bad actors ('cept maybe Avery Brooks, but he was it the WRONG show), bad writers, bad production. But yeah, TNG was awesome. I had just finished watching every ep of Voyager and felt rather repulsed, so I watched some eps of TNG and gave sighs of satisfied relief "Ah! Now this is Star Trek!" Enterprise was a good idea, but it wasn't amazing to start with, and when it started to get amazing, they cut it. Idiots. And besides UPN IS THE WORST NETWORK TELEVISION STATION. I used to think WB was, then I saw the commercials during Enterprise for the crap UPN funds, which is even crappier than the crap on WB, hard to believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuages Posted June 7, 2005 Share Posted June 7, 2005 I thought DS9 was brilliant, i'm not sure which I like better TNG of DS9, i know many others on this forum agree, DS9 rules. None of this avoids the fact though that Paramount is and has always been an antelope Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrLapage Posted June 7, 2005 Share Posted June 7, 2005 Yep, quite definetely, an antelope. :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S0V13T Posted June 7, 2005 Share Posted June 7, 2005 I know I'll get flamed for this, but I'm pretty happy that Enterprise was put out of its misery. Season one rocked, and slowly, and surely became more and more of a chore to watch every week. I voted for the third option in this poll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frodoxxx Posted June 7, 2005 Share Posted June 7, 2005 These things happen. Remember what happened to the origional series, took them a few years to admit their mistake. Hell even the BBC let the Doctor sit on the shelf for a few years. Just wait, Trek will be back in some form. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmvonr Posted June 7, 2005 Share Posted June 7, 2005 "Enterprise" was pushing the franchise one series too far. . .Paramount should have been content to let it rest after "Voyager" and do another movie or even a TV movie of the week--NOT another entire series. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daffydk Posted June 7, 2005 Share Posted June 7, 2005 No' date=' DS9 was a bad decision. Period. Bad actors ('cept maybe Avery Brooks, but he was it the WRONG show), bad writers, bad production. But yeah, TNG was awesome. I had just finished watching every ep of Voyager and felt rather repulsed, so I watched some eps of TNG and gave sighs of satisfied relief "Ah! Now this is Star Trek!" Enterprise was a good idea, but it wasn't amazing to start with, and when it started to get amazing, they cut it. Idiots. And besides UPN IS THE WORST NETWORK TELEVISION STATION. I used to think WB was, then I saw the commercials during Enterprise for the crap UPN funds, which is even crappier than the crap on WB, hard to believe.[/quote']. I used to feel DS9 was not worth anything because I had only seen season 1 and it had turned me off. At the time they had TNG and DS9 going at the same time. Of course DS9 compared to the later seasons of TNG was nothing. I didnt seen DS9 until recently and I must say I was impressed. They really pulled things together and made a great show. AS far as acting is concerned, I think I saw some of the best acting from Jeffery CombsJeffery Combs He plays Shran in enterprise but in DS9 he plays 3 characters, "Wayoun, Brunt, Tyron". I loved his Wayoun character as the second in command of the Dominion wars with the alpha quadrant. He did everything so easily, gracefully and with a smile. Instead of hating him, you actualy get to like him. Some of the other actors were okk, some were bad. Quork, the feringi was good, Sisko was not that good, Major Kira was ok to pretty good, and Odo was good. Jadzia was pretty good, but Izri Dax was much better. AS far as the stories of DS9, the Dominion wars and the Defiant made it really exciting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrLapage Posted June 7, 2005 Share Posted June 7, 2005 Kira annoys me to hell. I liked Dax cause she went to my high/middle school 20 years ago. Yeah, I agree, Combs was pretty good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TetsuoShima Posted June 7, 2005 Share Posted June 7, 2005 I really wouldn't know, how about all three of them, I just picked one ad random cause I wanted to see the results. According to general public, from most popular to least popular modern StarTrek series goes like this: TNG-DS9-VOY-ENT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daffydk Posted June 7, 2005 Share Posted June 7, 2005 Kira annoys me to hell. I liked Dax cause she went to my high/middle school 20 years ago. Yeah, I agree, Combs was pretty good. I guess Kira did get annoying at times. But sometimes she was light hearted and seemed friendly. The thing about DS9 is that they used the whole theme of Bajoran Religious belief in 'the prophets' a little too far. They should have stuck to pure scientific exploration of the entities in the worm hole rather than sisko (who represents Starfleet/Federation) becomming involved in their religion. Although I do understand that the DS9 writters/producers wanted to incorporate some religious themes to reach out to the religious audience but in my opinion it didnt really work and instead of creating a pure science fiction, they made it into sciefi/fantasy/religious thing. I would have much rather seen 1 federation science vessel docked at DS9 all the time and studying the wormhole and another 1 or 2 going to the gamma quadrant periodicaly exploring the gamma quadrant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elderbear Posted June 7, 2005 Share Posted June 7, 2005 Paramount has always been an antelope Please! Let's keep this site family friendly! The proper word is aardvark - you've just offended all the antelopes, and Antelope Valley isn't all that far from me ... :p Speaking of antelopes, though, When the Army opened White Sands Missile Range during WWII, it had a booming population of antelopes. Fighter pilots had a lot of fun strafing them - until they were wiped out. In order to refill the ecological niche of the antelope, they brought over a herd of oryx, which proved to be too smart and too strong for the local cougars to bring down. The population exploded - now they have to issue hunting permits to keep the herds thinned out. All because a few flyboys got their rocks off strafing antelope herds. "Home, home on the range, where the deer and the oryx play ..." Nope, doesn't have the same ring to it. Morrow said oryx have caused many traffic accidents on the range and problems for military operations, with the potential to have much greater impacts if the population is not reduced. Oryx have been found on the runways at Holloman Air Force Base and in impact areas and other test areas on WSMR. Read the full article here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krimxin Posted June 7, 2005 Share Posted June 7, 2005 No matter what they come up with, they will never please everyone. I thought season 4 of Enterprise was by far the best yet. I was a big fan of DS9. I liked seeing a Trek where everything wasn't as antiseptic as TNG. Don't get me wrong, I loved TNG, but I liked the ides that DS9 didn't try to copy, it tried it's own style and from late season 3 on, worked very well. I grew up a Trek fan in the 70s when all we had were re-runs of the classic and one promise after another that Trek would be back some day. Trek thrived then, it will make it now. Some day, the pinheads at Paramount will once again see what a gem they have and will bring it back again. Until then, we have a whole lot more re-runs to enjoy while we wait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starcrunch Posted June 7, 2005 Share Posted June 7, 2005 I have always been a Trekfan, and I really loved DS9, except for all the stupid ferengi eps, and the fact that they gave too much attention to the background of Worf. Thats my opinion, because I am not a klingon fan. But I loved that show, and the characters really grew on me. It took me a long time to get into Voyager but after awhile I was totally captivated. These to me are truly the coolest stories and have the best FX. I mean being lost in the Delta Quadrant gave the writers endless opportunities. As far as Enterprise goes, I think it was a travesty of trekdom, I don't care who you are if you think that was a good series , you don't know Trek! Enterprise basically took the canon of the show and ripped it to shreds, I think it was a bad idea to due a pre-quel type show based on the fact that their is too much you would have to change, I mean you are working in the confines of an already established history/plotline. The fact that this show's ship and equipment and uniforms all looked way ahead of TOS was a bad idea. I don't know , thats just my opinion of the show maybe it still hasn't grown on me. I'll always be a true TNG fan, you can never go wrong with a show where the Android gets all the hot chicks. Paramount is OK, the franchise needs some time to breath, and for a new breed of executive to take charge and put Trek back where it belongs. I mean look how long it was before Doctor Who came back, and that show came back with a roar all because a person who has a passion for the show is in control of it. There will always be a market for something Trek. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daffydk Posted June 7, 2005 Share Posted June 7, 2005 I have always been a Trekfan' date=' and I really loved DS9, except for all the stupid ferengi eps, and the fact that they gave too much attention to the background of Worf. Thats my opinion, because I am not a klingon fan. But I loved that show, and the characters really grew on me.[/quote'] I didnt care for the klingon past of worf either. And frankly I didnt think he should have been with Dax. He represents the monster who just wants to fight where as dax represents the knowledgeable, sweet, wise person. I thought some of the feringi episodes were good. I liked how quork was always greedy and they used the ridiculous and yet funny rules. The whole society which is based on women not wearing clothes or talking to males was interesting. And yet they are always suposed to exploit people for profit. It is sort of like a mix of the worst of some middle eastern country with the worst of greedy capitalistic western society. It took me a long time to get into Voyager but after awhile I was totally captivated. These to me are truly the coolest stories and have the best FX. I mean being lost in the Delta Quadrant gave the writers endless opportunities. I think thats because voyager got reallly good after Seven was introduced with the episode Scorpion. It got really exciting and all the encounters with borg made it on par with the best of trek. I don't know , thats just my opinion of the show maybe it still hasn't grown on me. Some of the stories were really good but they never fully developed the characters fully even after 3-4 seasons. I'll always be a true TNG fan, you can never go wrong with a show where the Android gets all the hot chicks. TNG was really cool indeed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest c4evap Posted June 7, 2005 Share Posted June 7, 2005 It took me a long time to get into Voyager but after awhile I was totally captivated. These to me are truly the coolest stories and have the best FX. I mean being lost in the Delta Quadrant gave the writers endless opportunities. I agree. Voyager had/has the coolest stories and best FX. I'm saddened that no Voyager movie will be forth coming. c4 :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cool_Cat Posted June 7, 2005 Author Share Posted June 7, 2005 It took me a long time to get into Voyager but after awhile I was totally captivated. These to me are truly the coolest stories and have the best FX. I mean being lost in the Delta Quadrant gave the writers endless opportunities. I agree. Voyager had/has the coolest stories and best FX. I'm saddened that no Voyager movie will be forth coming. c4 :( A movie based on DS9, Voyager, and Enterprise should happen. However at the end of DS9 and Voyager certain key things limit continuity. For instance Voyager is likely decommisioned as its one battered up ship. People have probably gotten decent promotions after 7 years of hell. DS9 characters mostly vanised such as Sisko and Odo. There is room for a movie or two for enterprise as there is a several year gap. since episode of "terra prime" till "these are the voyages..." I personaly was OK with enterprise. It was ok. Not great though. It was getting better. Star Trek is about diplomacy warrior and scientist combined. TNG was successfull because Picard was a diplomat half of the time. Scientist on the other half. A warrior here and there. DS9 although being "solid war" science and diplomacy was shown. There was more cultural insight of trek in DS9 than any other shows combined. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrLapage Posted June 7, 2005 Share Posted June 7, 2005 There is room for a movie or two for enterprise as there is a several year gap. since episode of "terra prime" till "these are the voyages..." There's room for 7 more seasons, for that matter. Enterprise basically took the canon of the show and ripped it to shreds' date=' I think it was a bad idea to due a pre-quel type show based on the fact that their is too much you would have to change, I mean you are working in the confines of an already established history/plotline. The fact that this show's ship and equipment and uniforms all looked way ahead of TOS was a bad idea.[/quote'] We knew for a fact that the Xindi conflict would have to end succesfully, because if it didn't, where the hell would the other 4 series come from?? Time travel in Enterprise is interesting, but not as intriguing as the other series, because we know the ending. Therefore, the story no longer is, "what happens at the end?" but becomes "how do we get to the end?" And they weren't the best story-wise, so the show lost interest. But where the hell did the Xindi come from? We've NEVER heard of them before, but they (according to Daniels) are part of the federation. What really would have been a cool villian species would have been someone we already know and trust, only to find out that they had tried to destroy Earth in the past. As for uniforms/equiptment, I thought Enterprise stuck pretty well to the time. Uniforms especially, they're wearing astronaut-style jumpsuits, which to me doesn't conflict at all with the more formal garb in TOS. As for technology, would you rather have had a set that looked like the original Enterprise, with less blinking lights? They seem to have stuck to the rate that today's technology is growing, all the computer panels use LCD monitors, for instance. And as for the technology itself, the tricorders, well, don't do much. Spock and Data could configure their tricorders to do just about anything, T'pol's "scanner" couldn't do much more than scan for lifesigns and elements. The sets looked higher-tech, but the equiptment didn't do as much as the lower looking tech in TOS and for that matter, TNG. -- I really wanted some more Romulan stories in Enterprise, especially after that "United" arc. No more f**king around in alternate dimensions and time travel, lets get some Warbird battles! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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