Daleks Vs the BORG

[GorunNova]

Naah... the mistakes aren't misakes as such, but the results of that mysterious force known as 'creative license' :D

 

... it would have no impact on any battles at all.

[elderbear]

The Borg!

 

Daleks are only imaginary constructs on a science fiction show.

 

;)

[taq22]

And the BORG are...?

[TFMF]

And the BORG are...?

 

well.....in just over 300 years from now they will attack earth and the Enterprise will have to try and stop them

 

+ the Borg are braver than Daleks - they arn't afraid to attack earth directy

[atgxtg]

In any "realsitic" (that is true to the souces) battle, neither side would win, as the main characters (of whatever series) would show up and beat both sides.

 

Trying to prove one side's superiority with real science is like trying to prove the relative superioity of a one chemical weapon over another byusing Aristotle's peroidic table of elements. Can"t be done.

 

Both series have thier own laws of reality and science that do not hold up -and yes, TREK is as bad a WHO in that regard.

[TFMF]

In any "realsitic" (that is true to the souces) battle, neither side would win, as the main characters (of whatever series) would show up and beat both sides.

 

Trying to prove one side's superiority with real science is like trying to prove the relative superioity of a one chemical weapon over another byusing Aristotle's peroidic table of elements. Can"t be done.

 

Both series have thier own laws of reality and science that do not hold up -and yes, TREK is as bad a WHO in that regard.

 

Perhaps we should ignore the flaws - Because lets face it - without those flaws - Star Trek and Doctor Who would be quite dull

[coolcat13]

k some one asked what power do the Dr Who weapons have so here we go

 

Dalekanium- invented by Humanity in the 22nd century as an explosive strong enough to destroy a single Dalek power = 500 sticks of dynamite

 

Demat beam - TimeLord supreme weapon in ep 50 and 97 .destroys all matter utterly as though it never existed used by the Dr in ep 97 vs the Sontarn invasion of Galifrey

 

The Doomsday weapon - this one ups the B5 planet killers

range infinite targets and destroys Suns .Acquired by the master and destroyed by the Dr

 

Glitter gun hi laser powered weapon with gold in it designed to destroy the Cybermen used by humanity in the 26th century

 

Dalek laser type 1 120 Mghz laser with frequency adapter to penetrate forcefields

Dalek laser type 2 laser implosion beam that fries the enemy from the inside out power level unknown much more powerful than the original Dalek lasers

 

disentigration ray range solar system used in Robot disentigrates matter utterly used by a rogue faction of UNIT to attempt to conquer the planet ep 75

 

some defenses

The Tardis withstood beams of anti gravity from Omega ep The Three Drs

The Transduction Barrier no known way to bypass without it bieng shut down from the inside

the chrono force field used in WarGames to imprison an entire planet for crimes against the TimeLords

 

you can now compare these weapons to the Star Trek weapons if you would like . I think that the only way it would ever truly be decided is that there were a show down like in the comic book world when they had thier great show down

 

 

 

[petra1989]

The Tissue Compressor was always a nasty little thing. It was about the size of the sonic screwdriver. One shot with that and you are shrunk down to the size of a Ken doll. A very painful death. But your corpse makes a good action figure later.

[atgxtg]

The Tissue Compressor was always a nasty little thing. It was about the size of the sonic screwdriver. One shot with that and you are shrunk down to the size of a Ken doll. A very painful death. But your corpse makes a good action figure later.

 

The ultimate in "Collectable limited edition". :rolleyes:

[thegoonden]

I only fired those questions in cos some folk were trying to pass trek science off as real. Certainly many of the things in it WOULD work IF the premis they are based on were true. I mean, applying huge ammounts of emergy in peristaltic motion to an array of polyferenide, it probably WOULD warp space....thing is that polyferenide is only found on the surfaces of collapsed stars (can't remember if the polymeric form of iron occurs under more or less extreme conditions than neutronium, but it's in the same league)....so we'd need a Starship AND all sorts of gravity altering equipment to secure and work with the stuff. Funny, despite all the excuses for not landing the ship (used to cover up that they couldn;t afford the fx), they never went for the most obvious one....a starship on the ground, were it's internals to go offline, would cause a disaster of planetary scale, polymeric iron is kinda heavy, if it didn't wreck everything around it, it would fall thru the surface.

And that's another thing, that every sci-fi show ignores.....have you ever considered what a shuttlecraft (for example) crashing at full impulse, would DO to a planet? several million/billion tons of polyferenide whacking into it at 0.6C (quoted as maximum permissable impulse velocity since above this relativistic time effects become too severe: star fleet tech manual) would make the one that got the dino's look like a spliffrock that fell on your shirt. EVEN if we assume that without the inertial reduction field the shuttle is probably only going .006C, and thus THAT would give the true energy of impact, it's still scarey. Not to mention that when the ships systems go offline, so do all the active magnetic containment systems ummmm KEERRRRRRBOOOOOOOOOOMMMMM!!!!!

 

I used to love the effort they'd made to to make trek coherent, but when you see the holes, and when the producers play silly buggers with the "laws" (see previous comments regarding bormanis using a perl script to put the word tachyon in an old Chicago Hope script), it just annoys.

I actually like Dr Who for the opposite reason, as I said earlier, because so much of the "science" in it sounds like total BS ( even when the Doc is not deliberately BSing to spare his monkeys' brains), it almost rings truer, because we should not be able to understand and rationalize tech on that level, anymore than Achimedes, or Newton, Franklin, Curie....any great oldtime human mind, could understand the complexities of the PQ encoding system used on CD's (come to think of it, anyone NOW who understands that, has no life), or the way in which digital phones synthesize voices from almost no transmitted data.

 

Honestly tho, 2001 is it, that's what it's really like out there, and more than that, with the exception of HAL, all the tech in it was buildable and flyable when the movie was made. It's just a shame that moron Kubrick left A.C.C's story out of it. 2010 is a better movie by far but does slip in the science now and then.

 

Ohh.....and there's every reaason to bring Douglas Adams into this, not only is HIS universe the closest to reailty, and not only was he a script writer and editor on Dr Who........aint you trekkers never read the impulse engine control panel on a Galaxy class ship? "infinite improbability level".

 

Oh, and ST, Dr Who and everythin else is a rip off. Wells came up with all their cores ideas :)

[thegoonden]

hey BTW tinpusher, love the sig man.

And there's a cool sequence in an otherwise relatively lame episode of B5, about different races ships going up in different coloured fireballs according to the cockpit gasess and chemicals in the drive.

[Fenriswolf]

"A million to one they said..."

 

Ahhh, the Tissue Compression Eliminator, such a twisted weapon.

 

Perhaps we should ignore the flaws - Because lets face it - without those flaws - Star Trek and Doctor Who would be quite dull

 

Now there's a sentiment I can agree with.

 

[taq22]

With you there too. Star Trek would be really boring, as all of it's basic principles are based on flaws.

[TFMF]

I wonder how 'The Parting of the Ways' will affect the poll.

 

P.S. - was a great episode

[taq22]

It probably won't, but I can't see it working in their favour though.

[TFMF]

I agree - They had there moments in that episode.....then they were all wiped out in about 10 seconds

[GorunNova]

Since a lot of people have already voted, and you can't take back votes... I figure it won't have any real impact.

[Goliath]

here are my opinions:

 

1st they are both movies so they should be treated as such:

the science involved is there to just mimic real life not to be realistic if it would be relasitic it would be no fun what they cant mimic means they were short on budget

 

2nd they way they loose to main chars is irrelevant cuz if they wouldn't the show(s) would end

 

3rd we are trying to compare 2 villans from imcompatible "universes" so there will be compromises

 

and the winner is : THE BORG why u ask ... easy since i am the one comparing em i am the one making the compromises so in my mind they would win => i like star trek more then Dr Who (i could add tons of reasons why I SEE them winning based on what they are capable of in the imaginary universe but that will only make some1 come and say that i am wrong hence the 15 page argue thats going on here)

 

so the reall winner is actulay no1 cuz they dont exist in the 1st place

 

who u voted for only means wich of the shows u like more

 

 

now to answer some of the questions some1 asked about trek

 

woul u like to see it and the ships going by and fighting with no sound ?

would u like to see a ship get destroyed only to fall apart like lego pieces

would u like to see laser fights where u dont see the "beams" ?

[TFMF]

Since a lot of people have already voted' date=' and you can't take back votes... I figure it won't have any real impact.[/quote']

 

Still - this topic could last a while - many more future votes and arguments could arise

[taq22]

The differences in Universes is largely irrelavent, as the main points to look at are strategy and tactical knowlege and strength. I also think we should focus on the different types of shielding they use.