Daleks Vs the BORG

[Fenriswolf]

There's only one Master around the Dr's Universe, and he's kick all their asses...if he wasn't digested by a rackety old TARDIS *mutter*

 

[coolcat13]

I would put Rassilon up against the Master , The Dr , and even Omega and he would kick all thier butts . In fact there is no one who would come close to the power that Rassilon wielded including the Keeper of Trarken before he was destroyed and possiably the Guardians

[GorunNova]

Are you talking Rassilon as hinted by the series, or Rassilon as portrayed in the Big Finish audios?

 

If you're talking about the audios, you're talking about a guy who literally nailed down and isolated the local branch of reality throughout an entire universe's lifespan into a Gallifrey-friendly pattern. I think it'd take the Q to deal with THAT sort of stuff...

[coolcat13]

yea GorunNova that Rassilon. He was even quite powerful in the TV series but much more powerful in the BigFinish audios . in either case he is the shizz

[taq22]

Rassilon was a genius, but he couldn't have done it without Gallifreyan technology. Since we are including Big Finish Audios in this debate, the Daleks have similarly powerful technology.

[dino4]

:stare:

Daleks Scared me when i was a lad, Now they are doing it to me Daughter!

However for me it has to be the "Borg" they just dont know how to give up.

"Resistance is futile"

[taq22]

And the Daleks do know when to give up?

[GorunNova]

Sure, the daleks know when to give up... when they're the only sentient race in the universe ^^

[Fenriswolf]

Exterminate!

[coolcat13]

the Borg have inherent flaws because they are cyber creatures and under the direction of one main unit .

although the Daleks seem to be cyborg because of thier metal casing they are genetically engineered and have the capacity to think outside the box .

The Daleks have made alliances when needed but thier only goal is the destruction of all other life and enslavement of all races until that is achieved .The Daleks would never surrender . other than an infected Dalek this season no Dalek has ever swayed from its goal of complete conquest (ahem can Trek fans say 7 of 9 )

[taq22]

When the Daleks (speaking hyperthetically) are the only sentient beings left, they will turn their attentions more fully towards the Imperial Daleks and when that's done, they will raise their standards of purity and thus create more factions amongst themselves. Everlasting war!

[TFMF]

the Borg have inherent flaws because they are cyber creatures and under the direction of one main unit .

although the Daleks seem to be cyborg because of thier metal casing they are genetically engineered and have the capacity to think outside the box .

The Daleks have made alliances when needed but thier only goal is the destruction of all other life and enslavement of all races until that is achieved .The Daleks would never surrender . other than an infected Dalek this season no Dalek has ever swayed from its goal of complete conquest (ahem can Trek fans say 7 of 9 )

 

The collective power of the Borg allows them to adapt faster and solve problems faseter.

 

The writers just made the Borg look weak by allowing one starship to destroy a cube and by eventually defeating the borg alltogether (though i hope they return)

[taq22]

Not true. A Dalek has more intelligence than an entire BORG collective. One Dalek is enough to formulate the entire plans of the Dalek invasion of the Universe.

[pleiades]

Not true. A Dalek has more intelligence than an entire BORG collective. One Dalek is enough to formulate the entire plans of the Dalek invasion of the Universe.

 

I agree with this, the Dalek's main strength lies in it's brain. It doesn't rely on brute force as the only method to solve it's obstacles. As has been said, it was their scientific genius that made them masters of half the universe.

 

The Borg collect people and leech technology. There is no way they can compete. And as for speed of adaption, watch the episode Dalek again...they are quick and merciless, and have the abstract edge of absoloute, single minded genius that is lacking from most other meanies.

 

The Daleks would probably condition a few thousand human prisoners, let the borg convert them, then swoop out of nowhere in force. Then they'd dissect the new Borg at length, and come up with something horrible and contagious which ate them up from the inside out.

 

Dalborg might be quite scary, firing nanogene darts that cannibalise people and turn the raw flesh into blessed blob and metal.

 

I'm glad that DW didn't do the trek thing with making former enemies crewmates. Duncan the friendly Dalek companion might look a little silly wobbling his happy way through time and space; and if they visited the Victorian era he simply wouldn't suit the big dress he'd have to wear so as not to scare the locals with his bibbly-bobbly metal ankles.

"Duncan, when I say glide, glide like a rabbit!"

 

[Pella]

1. How is the Borg going to get past all that Polycarbide Armour to convert a Dalek?

 

2. Even if it does - where are the borg implants going to go?

 

3. Despite it own intelligence, the Borg would assimilate the Daleks knowledge and then use it as a Drone - The Borg all directed by the queen.

 

Personaly i don't think the borg wouldd stan a chance

[pleiades]

1. How is the Borg going to get past all that Polycarbide Armour to convert a Dalek?

 

A, Attack the Dalek's mobility.

B, Use anti-radiation treatment.

C, Attack the Dalek's power source.

D, Use the unleashed magnetic energy from a planetary core.

E, Use robo Dracula and Frankenstien from 1996.

F, Use Savage alien lifeforms.

G, Use a badly constructed, unstable time interface.

H, Use Dalekenium bombs.

I, Use a humanising ray.

J, Cause civil war and search for survivors.

K, Use tape recorders to give them brainstorms.

L, Use extreme cold to make them go dormant.

M, Use bio-engineered bacteria.

N, Jam their psycho-kinetic potential.

O, Use the higher technology of other races.

P, Beat them with sticks making "Ugh ugh" noises.

Q, Assimilate Davros.

R, Use a Martian cable insulation virus.

S, Use a movellan virus.

T, Fire rock n' Roll at them.

U, Rig a transmat to disable them.

V, Use a stellar-manipulated sporting impliment.

W, Shout at them loudly about how they're really lonely.

X, Introduce them to Rose Tyler and wait for them to commit suicide.

Y, Get a time-agent laser gun.

Z, Use the energy of the time vortex.

[TFMF]

Taking detail to a new level here^^

 

Like i have said many times now in this topic - the Borg vessles seem much more powerful than Dalek ships - I mean they use Missles for crying out loud. So the Borg could still defeat the Daleks

[GorunNova]

... this topic's still alive? Whoa... O.o

[Pella]

1. How is the Borg going to get past all that Polycarbide Armour to convert a Dalek?

 

A, Attack the Dalek's mobility.

B, Use anti-radiation treatment.

C, Attack the Dalek's power source.

D, Use the unleashed magnetic energy from a planetary core.

E, Use robo Dracula and Frankenstien from 1996.

F, Use Savage alien lifeforms.

G, Use a badly constructed, unstable time interface.

H, Use Dalekenium bombs.

I, Use a humanising ray.

J, Cause civil war and search for survivors.

K, Use tape recorders to give them brainstorms.

L, Use extreme cold to make them go dormant.

M, Use bio-engineered bacteria.

N, Jam their psycho-kinetic potential.

O, Use the higher technology of other races.

P, Beat them with sticks making "Ugh ugh" noises.

Q, Assimilate Davros.

R, Use a Martian cable insulation virus.

S, Use a movellan virus.

T, Fire rock n' Roll at them.

U, Rig a transmat to disable them.

V, Use a stellar-manipulated sporting impliment.

W, Shout at them loudly about how they're really lonely.

X, Introduce them to Rose Tyler and wait for them to commit suicide.

Y, Get a time-agent laser gun.

Z, Use the energy of the time vortex.

 

 

Alright....

 

But now redo the list without using plot devices from various Doctor Who episodes!!!! :p

 

The revised list

 

P, Beat them with sticks making "Ugh ugh" noises.

 

 

 

[GorunNova]

Revising the list to things that could 1) work in the Star Trek universe, 2) aren't comedic or artifical plot devices, 3) don't involve somehow talking the Daleks into opening their own casings, and 4) haven't been rendered obsolete by updates in Dalek design.

 

A, Attack the Dalek's mobility.

O, Use the higher technology of other races.

U, Rig a transmat to disable them.