Daleks Vs the BORG

[GorunNova]

Thanks for mentioning that ^^'... *corrects post*

[GeneralLee]

I'm not hugely knowledgable of the Daleks yet like many of you are. I have only seen a few episodes so far of Dr Who with them in it, but from what I have seen, it seems to me that the Borg, could crush and exterminate the Daleks in a few nanoseconds.

[petra1989]

I'm not hugely knowledgable of the Daleks yet like many of you are. I have only seen a few episodes so far of Dr Who with them in it' date=' but from what I have seen, it seems to me that the Borg, could crush and exterminate the Daleks in a few nanoseconds.[/quote']

 

The Daleks are also industral. Not to the extent the Sontarians are, but all the Daleks have to do to replesh their numbers is start the factory up. The Borg have to find a planet and assimulate it and that takes time.

 

Plus the Daleks have a vast array of weapons at their disposal. Chemical, biological, computer, etc. The Borg would adapt, but then they would be hit with even more. The Daleks would too, plus hit them with more Daleks.

 

The Daleks can function independantly, the Borg have trouble doing that. The Daleks would exploit that weakness.

[patgaik]

I voted for the borg as there technology seems better than the daleks...think we'd all like a sequal to alein verus predator...but called borg v's dalek.....damn dont quite ave the same ring to it

 

How About "Exterminate Resistance: Borg Vs. Dalek"?

 

I never had much exposure to the Cybermen, but now I realise that the Borg are a variation of the Cybermen, really, aren't they?

[mackDUNDEE]

I think it depends on which Borg and Daleks we are talking about.

 

The Borg, for instance, seemed much more powerful and menacing in TNG than throughout the run of Voyager, where every Borg episode seemed to emphasize a new weakness in the species.

 

As for the Daleks, really until the recent Doctor Who series, where there are strong hints of the Daleks as a truely worthy foe (but the jury is still out), they have been, in my opinion, anything but the superpowerful and sophisticated force that some are hyping them up to be in this thread.

 

Here are some observations concerning the Daleks:

 

1) The pre-2005 Doctor Who Daleks could move about as fast as an old lady in a motorized wheelchair and could be destroyed quite easily with just about any convential weapon. Hell, even the Doctor's props, uhm...I mean "female companions" were able to outsmart and easily destroy Daleks.

 

2) Where are the sophisticated tactics of the Daleks on display throughout the program's run? It's basically, charge forward and shout "Exterminate! Exterminate!" Pretty straight forward and rather mindless, if you ask me.

 

3) The "all powerful" Daleks are always thrwarted by ONE person, the Doctor. How powerful and sophisticated can they be if the same person, almost always unarmed is always alowed to escape captivity and single-handedly thrwart their plans?

 

4) The Daleks "can function independantly," as was written by one poster? Maybe, but their only drive seems to be the single track of "Exterminate" and charge blindly forward. If you figure out how to stop one Dalek you've figured them all out.

 

5) Another comment on this thread stated that, since the Borg function as a collective, "The Daleks would exploit that weakness." Really? The Daleks can't stop a single unarmed man. When have they ever shown themselves capable of making sophisticated refinements?

 

In summary, in Doctor Who you always hear the hype from within the show about how powerful the Daleks are, yet in practice they are simply stock serial adventure villians with, especially for the time of there creation, fantastic costumes.

 

Anywho, I would give the Borg the edge. Here's why:

 

1) The Borg could adapt their shields to withstand the Dalek weapons discharge. After that, i'm not sure how effective the Dalek plungers would be in battle.

 

2) The Borg are capable of taking shelter out of the line of fire and moving with pace, plus they have ability to adapt their individual defenses to withstand the laser blast of the Daleks.

 

3) One thing that hasn't been mentioned yet, and I think is of huge significance in this discussion, is that, while the Borg are of the collective, the collective is made up of the knowledge of the individuals made part of that collective. So battling the Borg is not just about battling a mindless group of robotic lemmings, you're battling the collective thoughts and tactical awareness of the Federation, Klingons, Romulans, et cetra. Who care if the Daleks wouldn't allow themselves to be assimilated? The point is that the already gained knowledge of the Borg collective is more than capable of eliminating the Daleks. They can always assiminlate lemmings if they need the Dalek mentality as part of the collective.

 

4) The Daleks are manufactured and, just look at their bodies, are not able to self-replicate. So if the the Borg destroy the Daleks factories, that is the end of the Daleks. The Borg, on the other hand, can always just assimilate new species to replace their fallen numbers and/or expand their forces.

 

In summary, I'd take the Borg hands down. (Or is it plungers down?)

 

One last note, I'm a HUGE Doctor Who fan but, as you can tell, the Daleks rarely have done it for me. I much prefer the more ambiguous races or races that seem, to me at least, to have a more thoughtful goal and strategy.

 

[taq22]

As Big Finish adventures are officially lisenced, we should also take into account their input. So Dalek E,pire should definately be on your list of things to listen to.

[patgaik]

Has there ever been a Dalek vs. Cybermen story anywhere in the DW universe? That might make an interesting Big Finish audio :-)

[mackDUNDEE]

I never had much exposure to the Cybermen' date=' but now I realise that the Borg are a variation of the Cybermen, really, aren't they?[/quote']

 

I don't see the logic here. The Borg and Cybermen have very different characteristics. If one were to characterize the Borg, the emphasis would be one their goal of dominace through assimilation. Unlike the Cybermen, the Borg are made of different species that have been assimilated into a shared collective. To the Borg assimilation is the means of increasing technical and tactical prowess, and a way of growing the ranks. Do the Cybermen share any of these characteristics? Finally, the Borg view assimilation as a gift for the assimilated, the opportunity to join the collective, while the Cybermen's goals are purely selfish.

[taq22]

I never had much exposure to the Cybermen' date=' but now I realise that the Borg are a variation of the Cybermen, really, aren't they?[/quote']

 

I don't see the logic here. The Borg and Cybermen have very different characteristics. If one were to characterize the Borg, the emphasis would be one their goal of dominace through assimilation. Unlike the Cybermen, the Borg are made of different species that have been assimilated into a shared collective. To the Borg assimilation is the means of increasing technical and tactical prowess, and a way of growing the ranks. Do the Cybermen share any of these characteristics? Finally, the Borg view assimilation as a gift for the assimilated, the opportunity to join the collective, while the Cybermen's goals are purely selfish.

 

Yes, the Cybermen were the inspiration of the BORG creators.

 

On the point of similarities, the Cybermen's aim is to survive by Cybernisation of the entire population of Earth and other planets. The Cybermen function on pure logic. The BORG are very similar, in that they have a collective mind and so also function monolithically.

[S0V13T]

Well, it seems thateveryone can agre that no matter how unarmed the Doctor is, he can always defeat the Daleks. Soooooo.... what if The Borg Assimilated the Time Lords before taking on the Daleks?

[petra1989]

I never had much exposure to the Cybermen' date=' but now I realise that the Borg are a variation of the Cybermen, really, aren't they?[/quote']

 

 

Here is a comic that sums it up:

http://www.drunkduck.com/The_Whovian_Observer/?i=236648

 

 

 

 

*** I hope it works, I can't seem to get the links to work.

[Ulysses]

Well' date=' it seems thateveryone can agre that no matter how unarmed the Doctor is, he can always defeat the Daleks. Soooooo.... what if The Borg Assimilated the Time Lords before taking on the Daleks?[/quote']

 

Sorry but if Captain janeway can avoid getting assimalated i am damn sure the Doctor can...and with cherries on top lol

 

[taq22]

Exactly. In fact, I think that the BORG would be no match for the Timelords anyway. I bet that the BORG are even resourceful enough to get through the Transduction barrier like the Daleks did when they invaded Gallifrey in The Apocalypse Element. Before making accusations like "The Daleks can't defeat one unarmed man", you really should download and listen to Dalek Empire and watch the episode 'Dalek' in the new series.

[TFMF]

Exactly. In fact' date=' I think that the BORG would be no match for the Timelords anyway. I bet that the BORG are even resourceful enough to get through the Transduction barrier like the Daleks did when they invaded Gallifrey in The Apocalypse Element. Before making accusations like "The Daleks can't defeat one unarmed man", you really should download and listen to Dalek Empire and watch the episode 'Dalek' in the new series.[/quote']

 

Yes but Borg arn't unarmed men - they could adapt to the Daleks weapons - The Borg have much better ships. and if they assimilated even one dalek - the Daleks would be in trouble

[Trevulate]

Being a Doctor Who fan means that my vote is Biased, although i am partial to a good episode of Voyager...gotta be the best series out of the lot....i just wish the box sets wernt so damn expensive :(

[TFMF]

Being a Doctor Who fan means that my vote is Biased' date=' although i am partial to a good episode of Voyager...gotta be the best series out of the lot....i just wish the box sets wernt so damn expensive :([/quote']

 

Have you tried Ebay.

[coolcat13]

while the old Dalek maybe clumsy ,the old Dalek ships are quite capable and far superior .Thier ability to time travel is quickagain I repeat they can dematerialise and by the way they have won battles against the Dr .The Dr has generally only beaten Dalek scouting parties or limited the damage that the Daleks can do but the Daleks were able to spread rapidly and they obviously created a huge army of 10 million ships as stated in the new Dr who .The mere fact that they wiped out the Time Lords proves how cunning they are . Even in the old series The Daleks conquered Earth until the Dr changed the time line .I think that the Daleks were made to look vanilla in the old series at times and that may have detracted from thier true power .

 

as for the Cybermen , never respected them that much as an enemy until EarthShock .They would never stand a chance against the Daleks .Watch what the one robot in the 5 Drs did to the cyber army .

 

also to note the cybermen also assimilate lesser biengs albiet somewhat less effectively than the borg as commander Litton could attest to

[TFMF]

while the old Dalek maybe clumsy ,the old Dalek ships are quite capable and far superior .Thier ability to time travel is quickagain I repeat they can de,aterialise and by the way they have won battles against the Dr .The Dr has generally only beaten Dalek scouting parties or limited the damage that the Daleks can do but the Daleks were able to spread rapidly and they obviously created a huge army of 10 million ships as stated in the new Dr who .The mere fact that they wiped out the Time Lords proves how cunning they are . Even in the old series The Daleks conquered Earth until the Dr changed the time line .I think that the Daleks were made to look vanilla in the old series at times and that may have detracted from thier true power .

 

as for the Cybermen , never respected them that much as an enemy until EarthShock .They would never stand a chance against the Daleks .Watch what the one robot in the 5 Drs did to the cyber army .

 

also to note the cybermen also assimilate lesser biengs albiet somewhat less effectively than the borg as commander Litton could attest to

 

It is weird how if the Borg have time traveling capabilities then why they don't use them more often.

[Trevulate]

Thats not the same as owning ur own...first buy and all that, although some ppl do sell "Brand New"....that sounds like a good ide cheerz TFMF

 

 

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[myles]

ive gotta say it would probs be the daleks that would win, but i havnt seen first contact for quiet some time, and if i remember rightly, the Borg did not attack unless they were attacked in the first place or felt threatened! But the Daleks destroy on instinct!! Anything that is different to them, they destroy in seconds! I would say the reason why the doctor wins is because its a T.V. series and the doctor must win! But the daleks in the new series were pretty much indestructable, they could not be killed, so i believe the daleks r the dominant species in this debate! personal opinion tho! peace out dudes!!!! :D