coolcat13 Posted June 13, 2005 Author Share Posted June 13, 2005 nah I would safely say that Jack is on the Drs side .Bad wolf is the Daleks / Davros but the bad wolf messages were left by the controller to warn the Dr . she would have immense power to grab the Dr and his companions out of the Tardis .(I thought that only the TimeLords and Guardians could do such things )She could easily have put it in peoples minds to leave the Dr messages Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hrimmer Posted June 13, 2005 Share Posted June 13, 2005 I am very with you on that one. Logopolis/Castrovalva remain my favorite regeneration arc, it would be a great thing if they brought The Watcher back for this one. (The Watcher) This is the bit that interests me. Logopolis, anyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coolcat13 Posted June 13, 2005 Author Share Posted June 13, 2005 yea you have to hand it to RTD to pull that out of his bag of tricks . I love the way he has captured the best of the classic Who series Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roach Posted June 13, 2005 Share Posted June 13, 2005 A few of my thoughts: re: Chris Eccleston leaving While we may never know for certain whether the scripts were written around his wish for only one season (which would mean it was already clear when they were signing) or whether RTD wanted the foirst Doctor to last only one season, I doubt that CE decided later that he'd want to leave. I am mostly thinking of the timing of the press releases and indiscretions. Filming the series had already been ended, when the decision was 'suddenly made'. I think it's much more likely that some boffin at Auntie Beeb thought it would make for good publicity to announce "We're looking for the next Doctor" and then issued a statement that CE had asked not to continue the role. Seeing the reactions right afterwards -- CE's indignation, the way the statements were worded -- it sounds to me likely that afterwards they were dealing in damage control. However, given this, I think CE deserves even more praise for the job he did on a role that he knew he'd have to pass on. I know quite a number of actors who would have 'phoned in' their performances once they knew they'd be replaced. re: Cast List on IMDB / TVTome The list is quite suspect. IMDB claimed Jackie and Mickey starring in ep. 12 as well. The lists have been heavily adjusted even before Bad Wolf aired. IMDB accepts these lists from anyone, and this wouldn't be the first hoax perpetrated using IMDB. The TVTome listing is a copy of the IMDB one. And finally, on LiveJournal, there was a post of someone claiming (s)he had sent that info to IMDB as a hoax. re: Next episode Can't wait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses Posted June 13, 2005 Share Posted June 13, 2005 A few of my thoughts: re: Cast List on IMDB / TVTome The list is quite suspect. IMDB claimed Jackie and Mickey starring in ep. 12 as well. The lists have been heavily adjusted even before Bad Wolf aired. IMDB accepts these lists from anyone, and this wouldn't be the first hoax perpetrated using IMDB. The TVTome listing is a copy of the IMDB one. And finally, on LiveJournal, there was a post of someone claiming (s)he had sent that info to IMDB as a hoax. re: Next episode Can't wait. dont think it it suspect, as its quoting what is in the radio times which i think is actually a BBC publication Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macrovirus Posted June 13, 2005 Share Posted June 13, 2005 One thing I REALLY don't understand about Bad Wolf. The disintigration beam was a telemat (transporter), right? Well, if that was the case, why the heck didn't the Daleks transport the Doctor over to them, and then do what they want with him there. The Doctor is apparently the only on who can get in their way. They could have just teleported him into a holding cell, or something. And why the whole gameshow thing in the first place? It really confuses me, as to why to Daleks would even bother with all that. Transport, laserbeam, Doctor dead. As simple as that. :-D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenriswolf Posted June 13, 2005 Share Posted June 13, 2005 Because whoever controlled Satellite 5 is playing a Long Game, they want the Doctor alive for some reason. Playing a giant game with him, which concludes next week. I have a feeling that we'll find out the answers or at least some of them on Saturday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antilles Posted June 13, 2005 Share Posted June 13, 2005 Many many shows wouldnt last very long if things were that simple :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenriswolf Posted June 13, 2005 Share Posted June 13, 2005 Many many shows wouldnt last very long if things were that simple :) See, he knows! He knows the way of the writer! *hypnotises RS like the Master* You will read the short story: Time War, you will read *ends hypnosis* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GorunNova Posted June 13, 2005 Share Posted June 13, 2005 One thing I REALLY don't understand about Bad Wolf. The disintigration beam was a telemat (transporter)' date=' right? Well, if that was the case, why the heck didn't the Daleks transport the Doctor over to them, and then do what they want with him there. The Doctor is apparently the only on who can get in their way. They could have just teleported him into a holding cell, or something. And why the whole gameshow thing in the first place? It really confuses me, as to why to Daleks would even bother with all that. Transport, laserbeam, Doctor dead. As simple as that. :-D[/quote'] ... maybe the one who stopped the transmat beam / disintegrator didn't want the Doctor to fall into Dalek hands? (i.e. the controller) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GorunNova Posted June 13, 2005 Share Posted June 13, 2005 As far as CE leaving the show... typecasting is a strong and real issue for actors, because it limits their future acting jobs, and given how big this series is, it would be VERY easy to be typecast as Doctor... His choice to leave was probably a wise one for his career ^^' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coolcat13 Posted June 13, 2005 Author Share Posted June 13, 2005 I dont think so .While typecasting is a real negative so is unreliability .This show would have made him a legend but hey its his choice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenriswolf Posted June 13, 2005 Share Posted June 13, 2005 I'd have no problem being typecast as the Doctor, I can tell you that. Eccleston's mistake is David Tennant's dream come true however. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses Posted June 13, 2005 Share Posted June 13, 2005 One thing I REALLY don't understand about Bad Wolf. The disintigration beam was a telemat (transporter)' date=' right? Well, if that was the case, why the heck didn't the Daleks transport the Doctor over to them, and then do what they want with him there. The Doctor is apparently the only on who can get in their way. They could have just teleported him into a holding cell, or something. And why the whole gameshow thing in the first place? It really confuses me, as to why to Daleks would even bother with all that. Transport, laserbeam, Doctor dead. As simple as that. :-D[/quote'] it wasnt the daleks that transmatted him it was the controller and hid the dr in the games as the daleks dont monitor them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thraxman Posted June 13, 2005 Share Posted June 13, 2005 A few of my thoughts: re: Cast List on IMDB / TVTome The list is quite suspect. IMDB claimed Jackie and Mickey starring in ep. 12 as well. The lists have been heavily adjusted even before Bad Wolf aired. IMDB accepts these lists from anyone, and this wouldn't be the first hoax perpetrated using IMDB. The TVTome listing is a copy of the IMDB one. And finally, on LiveJournal, there was a post of someone claiming (s)he had sent that info to IMDB as a hoax. re: Next episode Can't wait. dont think it it suspect, as its quoting what is in the radio times which i think is actually a BBC publication I believe it IS suspect for the reason that the cast list for Bad Wolf is (still) wrong, even after the show aired. It lists Bruno Langley as Adam for Bad Wolf, but he wasn't in there. So who knows which characters listed for episode 13 will actually show up? Could be any, all, some, or none. (ok, we'll rule out none...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dingding100 Posted June 13, 2005 Share Posted June 13, 2005 Isn't this kewl? All the smoke and mirrors, the dead-end corridors, the mis-information that the Beeb is putting out there. It really adds to the mystery that is Doctor Who. Going all out for fans, with the websites and clues. Geez. I haven't been this excited to watch TV in such a long time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GorunNova Posted June 13, 2005 Share Posted June 13, 2005 That's a GOOD idea! Can't run into accidental spoilers if you don't know anything ^^' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flamewinds Posted June 13, 2005 Share Posted June 13, 2005 The Long Game was meant to set the scene for Bad Wolf - Adam was just some randomer they picked up and dumped afterwards. and I think Long Game was meant to partially establish that sometimes companions DO NOT work out and the Doctor makes mistakes and must quickly and cruelly say goodbye to them. Bang On. Did I miss something? Or should he still not be made of plastic and sporting a Ken-Style hair do? Rewatch the tail end of ep 1 ... Rose finds Micky cowering against the stairs or something when she and the doctor face the Nestene Consciousness! My heart had just calmed down from the 5.3 earthquake we had this morning No one hurt, I hope! However' date=' given this, I think CE deserves even more praise for the job he did on a role that he knew he'd have to pass on. I know quite a number of actors who would have 'phoned in' their performances once they knew they'd be replaced.[/quote'] I couldn't agree more. Not only did CE have to compete with the ghosts of the earlier doctors but also undo the apathy and / or dissatisfaction generated by the later doctors. He's really done such a wonderful job, I feel like I'm going to lose someone I'm personally involved with. Somehow, I just can't see DT taking over the series; even if he can pull off the 'fantastics' and the child-like enthusiasm, it's still going to seem like a clone (as opposed to the original) of CE's personality. On the other hand, I can't think of a personality (and I believe they change with each regeneration) that RTD could give the 10th Doctor that would surpass that of the 9th. Let me add that I'm sincerely hoping that I'll eat my words later! One thing I REALLY don't understand about Bad Wolf. The disintigration beam was a telemat (transporter)' date=' right? Well, if that was the case, why the heck didn't the Daleks transport the Doctor over to them, and then do what they want with him there. The Doctor is apparently the only on who can get in their way. They could have just teleported him into a holding cell, or something. And why the whole gameshow thing in the first place? It really confuses me, as to why to Daleks would even bother with all that. Transport, laserbeam, Doctor dead. As simple as that.[/quote'] That's cause the Daleks were hiding out, even from the Doctor. The controller had heard her 'masters' talking of their fear of the Doctor. The daleks weren't the ones who zapped him onto satellite 5; it was the controller ... and she hid them in the game rooms. She was not concerned with his companions, but put him somewhere where he could be kept safe from eviction, at least for a while. Here's what I don't understand. The controller's only been around for some decades in the timeline after the Doctor brought down the news network in the long game. How would she get the bad wolf message to the doctor in both the past and the future? Communication / mind control that travels through time? Again, can't be the daleks ... they'd be very happy if the doctor never crossed their path. Makes me think that it's probabaly some higher power / entity who can't really do much (or isn't allowed to) but who's been trying to nudge the Doctor in the right direction. Perhaps the TARDIS after all? Naah! *deep breath* God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change. I WILL survive till next week PS: 5 bucks per hour to anyone who can teach me to write small posts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenriswolf Posted June 13, 2005 Share Posted June 13, 2005 An interesting randomiser non-the-less however. He could be quite useful as a villain in later episodes of the series though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petra1989 Posted June 13, 2005 Share Posted June 13, 2005 Sorry, might 'ave missed something but what the heck were Daleks doing on Tulla warships??? Something missed maybe from the Time War? Jack recognized them. In fact he tried to con the Doctor with an Tulla ambulance. Would it not be totally insane if Jack was the Bad Wolf? Am I just out on a limb here... *looks down, remembers fear of heights* Those were Dalek ships. The only thing we have seen from the Tulla is the ambulence. Jack is from the 51st century so he probally has run into the Daleks already, since they attack Earth in 22nd century. It's not a surpris he would recognize them. Plus being a former time agent heprobally knows about the Time War. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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